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Old 10-25-2007, 10:24 PM
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Re: worst case of KP treated naturally

rachel where do you get the herbs from and is there a particular name of the herb? and your saying by eliminating wheat, dairy and taking those herbs my kp will clear up? or do i need to do more, thanks!




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Hey baronster and everyone, how you guys going? I posted a thread a while back on autointoxication....which is usually a result of LGS. I had cut out dairy, and wheat completely from my diet and did see my kp clear up some what but not completely. However my kp did not completely clear up until after i had 'detoxed' my digestive system of pathogens using antibacterial/antimicrobial herbs and cleansed the liver also. By doing this within 2 weeks my kp diminished incredibly and now my skin is so clear it is amazing.

My results and your results baronster are almost identical and we used the same treatment strategies, so i think this is definitely the key to treating kp.

This is how i see it, when you eat foods that you are intolerant to such as dairy and wheat our bodies do not have the ability to digest it because we are deficient in the enzymes to do so. And instead of these foods being broken down into tiny minute molecules to be absorbed in the small intestine, they are not and go into the small intestine as large molecules. These large molecules are hard to absorb and instead do damage- hitting the intestinal wall causing inflammation, and overtime eventually increasing the permeability of the intestinal wall which leads to leaky gut syndrome (i hate this term). Other things can lead to this permeability including dysbiosis/candida infestations wreaking havoc in the digestive system. When the intestinal wall has an increased permeability all sorts of molecules/nutrients are 'leaking' through the permeable intestinal wall (which it doesn't usually since this wall shouldn't be permeable!) into the blood stream. These molecules/nutrients in the blood stream are considered 'toxins' which puts a huge strain on the liver because this organ has to detoxify everything in the blood. In turn your body tries to get rid of the toxins as effectively as it can since your normally good functioning eliminating organs can not do their jobs properly (1. digestive system 2. liver) Your body then starts excreting the toxins through your skin, which we see as KP (bumps on the skin)

Therefore the treatment strategies are:
1. Eliminate foods out of your diet that you may be intolerant to; eg wheat and dairy, so that it is not causing inflammation and LGS in the digestive system in the first place.
2. Use antimicrobial/antibacterial herbs to get rid of the candida/dysbiosis in the gut.
3. Use supplements such as glutamine, aloe vera, slippery elm, marshmallow to heal the gut wall (LGS) these herbs and nutrients have the ability to reduce inflammation, sooth inflammation, and heal the intestinal wall.
4. Detoxify your liver because your liver is already struggling with the burden of a lot of toxins in the blood stream because of the LGS. Without liver support at the same time you may see that your KP get worse before it gets better. Herbs include st mary's thistle, dandelion, barberry.

Anyway it's awesome that someone has also had the same results as i have with a similar treatment.
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Re: worst case of KP treated naturally

nykphelp....I don't think Rachel comes on this forum anymore.....

rachel explains very well what is going on, but I would like to make one correction......when she says that you may be intolerant to a food like dairy or wheat as an example......it is not the same thing as being sensitive to it....the BIG difference is if you have say lactose interlerance..this is a digestive problem....if you are senstivie to lactose...this is an immune response by your body, and it is a mistake.....it is an important difference because, you don't want your body fighting and immune battle it doesn't need to fight....why not? well...when your body is fighting this percieved toxin, it can't fight other pathegens or whatever might be going inside your body.

that is why I think it is critical to identify what your body is percieving as toxic, and eliminate it, so your body stops fighting a losing battle.

Again, the no cost method is to take your pulse after ingesting a food you are challenging, your heart rate
will go up more than 10 beats per mintue if you are senstivie, the higher the rate, the more sensitive you are....I suggest you start with milk, then other dairy, then wheat, refined sugar, chocolate, and whatever else you may eat.

Can you imagine if your heart beat go up 25 beats per minute, what the rest of your body is going through?

Thise herbs she mentioned aree available at almost any health store....some are available as teas, like the slippery elm, and dandelion for eg.

I would do a colon cleanse first, as rachel wrote about autointoxication, this is your colon poisining you slowly, and aging you, and causing disease.

i would cleanse the liver next, and the free book I listed has a home made recipe, that is written in almost every detox book I have purchased, and it gets rave reviews, asd you should pass about 2000 stones of various colours in your bowel movements.

You should also take the probiotics to recolonize, ESPECIALLY if you do a colon cleanse.

Most of what I have been saying on this thread is detailed in the free book download, called the miracle doctors.

Jon Barron and the Baseline of Health Foundation
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Re: worst case of KP treated naturally

I havent been able to finish reading the free book you posted here, Baronster because i've been so busy - but I will definitely do so later tonight if I can or tomorrow sometime.

And I think I might give the colon cleanse a try.. though I'm a little scared about it. Im not sure what it will feel like, how I'll react, how 'hard' i should be on myself (how strictly I follow the instructions). And I have a question about that too - if all of that junk is coming out of you - you still have control over WHEN it DOES and DOES NOT come out, correct? Again, I'm a little freaked out by it.

Also I think I might look up Gilians posts too, see any recipe she's posted and the like? I'd like to 'be transformed' as well

Anyways I've got to get ready to go out soon - I'll be outside for four hours tonight under the full moon pretending to stab my friend nicole for local amusement. Its called Frightnight, we arrange out own 'sets' and 'gigs' and tours come by and we do our skits to scare them. All in the spirit of halloween.

I better get some carbs into me for tonight lol.

I'll post when I'm back - there's still some things I'd like to know about cleansing, specifically related to my age, condition, etc.
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Re: worst case of KP treated naturally

Salt and water is vital for reducing a double chin. When the body is short of salt, it means the body really is short of water. The salivary glands sense the salt shortage and are obliged to produce more saliva to lubricate the act of chewing and swallowing and also to supply the stomach with water that it needs for breaking down foods. Circulation to the salivary glands increases and the blood vessels become "leaky" in order to supply the glands with water to manufacture saliva. The "leakiness" spills beyond the area of the glands themselves, causing increased bulk under the skin of the chin, the cheeks and into the neck.FACT - Health care makes big bucks by selling a quart of water with salt in it (Saline 4) for up to $350.00 installed, but won't tell the patients they do indeed need more water and salt in their diets.
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Re: worst case of KP treated naturally

Hi, EK1 is the cream you've got called Elicina? I used that a lot and its good but wont completely get rid of the KP it makes your skin feel smoother but doesnt get rid of the redness.
Kebod I just bought a cooking oil with Saff flower extract has anyone heard of it? is it good? Been really trying to fight my cravings and think its starting to work have been snacking on nuts and celery instead. Im also suffering from a grumbling appendix and have been for 6 months now according to my doctor friend I could be eating more because my bodies trying to fight off the infection by stocking up on various minerals and vitamins so it doesnt burst....not sure how true that is as she wont be a qualified doc till next year haha also I was to busy have visions of a george clooney type surgeon operating on me. thanks for thr great advice iv got a few days off soon so will be able to sit down and sort out everything and hopefully get back on track with the new diet.Px
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Old 10-29-2007, 12:10 AM
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Re: worst case of KP treated naturally

pepper - Nope, the cream is bioskincare, but same thing, that stuff from snails. However, i put it on this morning for the first time on my face and i was itchy all day. Thought hmm.... oh well. Then i just put it on now for night and WOW i started itching like crazy and got these white spots along my jawline! (when i get that it means my skin is totally hating what i have on it). I then looked up that the acid in the product (HA - hyaluronic acid) can cause itchiness and irritation (they use it in restyalne, to fill in wrinkles!)
I'm doing vbeam (just had one done) to get rid of the redness, but i'm at a TOTAL loss of what i should use on my kp bumps!!! Any advice??? Lots of things are so irritating!

My doc gave me some loprox cream to try (ive been using the antifungal stieprox shampoo on my face, its for my seohberric (i cant spell that) dermatitis, and it has the same ingredient as the loprox cream). I'm assuming though this will help with the SD and not the KP bumps, right???
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Re: worst case of KP treated naturally

Baronster,

What are exactly are natural flavors???? (on ingredient list)

Also, how do you feel about ground turkey??? Do think it is okay or is it a no no???
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Re: worst case of KP treated naturally

EK1 whats Vbeam? did it work?
I want laser treatment to get rid of the redness as it bothers me more then the bumps.
Cream wise Iv used a few that have got rid of the bumps, or rather made them smoother the Elicina ll natural profuct is good, DERMAdoctor.com does some really good stuff specifically for KP they have a great chemical exfoliation it comes in a huge tub you use it twice a week and the tub lasts six months, also a cream for afterwards its really good, just type in keratosis pilaris into derma doctors search engine and it will come up with all the products, theres a french product that i found out about on this forum which is good its called Akerat by a company called Avene. Iv used all of these and had good results for the bumpiness with them there not as harsh as the acids and do make the skin feel smooth just dont really get rid of the redness as much as Id like. I hope this is helpful
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Re: worst case of KP treated naturally

Pepper -
Vbeam is a type of laser, called pulse-dye laser. You need to have probably around 4 sessions. So far i have had one and notice i am less red. Obviously 1 treatment isnt enough though! We'll see what happens with my next one!

Did the Elicina make you itchy at all?
Is this the dermadoctor product you're talking about
DERMAdoctor KP Duty Dermatologist Body Scrub with Chemical + Physical Medi-Exfoliation - DERMAdoctor.com

The only thing is, it says its for body. I've noticed pretty much every thing out their for KP is for KP on the arms, legs, chest etc. Nothing for the face! All that stuff is so harsh on my sensitive skin.

Akerat by Avene is also saying its only for the body.

I just want to get rid of all these bumps! I think the snail stuff would work, but it makes me SO flakey! I also have sebhorreic dermatitis, which makes it difficult to find something to use on my face that will help BOTH problems!
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Re: worst case of KP treated naturally

EK1 and Pepper7 - we are off topic. I had been searching and searching for a cleanser for my face and chest like one I used years ago. I found something almost exactly like it - Derma E glycolic cleanser. It's quite mild compared to other glycolics, you put it on dry skin b4 you get in the shower, let it sit a minute or so and then get in and add a little water to it and rub it around. I don't know what the percentage is. I have been getting good surprised comments from friends and family who know my skin. I have sensitive skin and I can use this stuff without getting more redness and peeling. There's something in it for calming the skin, maybe seaweed extract or something? I highly recommend this one. The burt's bees toner and blemish stick are also good for me but the Derma E (may even be the same company I used to buy from just with a new name...) is superb. I was wondering how the snail ooze was going to work. sounds like it would irritate my skin... - bd
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EK1 and Pepper7 - we are off topic. I had been searching and searching for a cleanser for my face and chest like one I used years ago. I found something almost exactly like it - Derma E glycolic cleanser. It's quite mild compared to other glycolics, you put it on dry skin b4 you get in the shower, let it sit a minute or so and then get in and add a little water to it and rub it around. I don't know what the percentage is. I have been getting good surprised comments from friends and family who know my skin. I have sensitive skin and I can use this stuff without getting more redness and peeling. There's something in it for calming the skin, maybe seaweed extract or something? I highly recommend this one. The burt's bees toner and blemish stick are also good for me but the Derma E (may even be the same company I used to buy from just with a new name...) is superb. I was wondering how the snail ooze was going to work. sounds like it would irritate my skin... - bd
Bunnyday, can you purchase the Derma E glycolic cleanser in any specific stores or is it only available online? Just curious.. I'd like to check the product out in person and maybe give it a try. Thanks so much for the information!
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Re: worst case of KP treated naturally

So i had my intolerance test done today.
I held a metal thing and it was hooked up to this machine that made noise when she touched the electrode thing to my finger. Does that make sense, is this what you guys had???

my can't eat list is:
- all dairy
- chocolate (which is weird, cause i hardly eat any...)
- sugar (same)
- all MSG/perservatives

Some of my borderline things were lettuce (weird cause i dont eat ANY!), carrots, white flour

My plan is in order to satiate my love of cheese, i will be eating soya cheese! lol. Not having ANY perservatives is kinda hard though, they are literally in EVERYTHING. Even in a stupid granola bar!!! Oy.

I've increased my omegas 3, 6 and 9, so i'm hoping that will help, along with the elimination of ALL dairy (i've always had a thing for loving cheese!! Perhaps that's why i've had KP for the longest time?? Didn't know what it was before of course!)
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Re: worst case of KP treated naturally

EK1 the snail stuff is hood and very gentle I have used it and had good results for the face Im sure there will be stuff on the derma doc website for you, I havent got it on my face so I havent looked I mainly have it on my arms whcih is why the demabrasion and cream help me. I think with both creams and diet you will stand a strong chnace of clearing it up Px
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Re: worst case of KP treated naturally

Which is the best antimicrobial, antibacterial, antioxidative and anticoagulant I can buy to try out for my KP? Can I buy just 1 or 2 of the product which contains all three? I have a very bad case of KP. Ive tried so many creams and ointments but it always comes back some other place. I think it is caused by a bacteria as I noticed that if you treat some part of your body the KP appears somewhere else where I didnt have KP before.
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Re: worst case of KP treated naturally

EK1 thanks for posting results......i guess you aren't surprised about all dairy.....did that include goat and sheep, my test was the same as yours, except i was tested for goat and sheep, and those are okay or me, so is buffalo mozzorella...it is expensive, but imperative if you are making lasagna.

the no preservatives is very triky, because most labelling doesn't show MSG or preservatives.....I am sensitive to both as well.

there is brazil nut cheese as well....and soy cream cheese, but just watch out for soy, i became super senstivie to it, by having too much.
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