BRYNN 'S MOMS FORMULA

[Archive]

Originally posted by Bill

I see Medchest.com has both the powder AND the Carmol 20. I think I am going to order both. My Question:

Once this stuff arrives EXACTLY how do I go about mixing it. Words like 3% etc etc mean nothing to me, i need to know how much of what to mix with what and how.

So i get the 2 containers in the mail. What will I do from there?
Thanks in advance!!!

[Archive]

Originally posted by DEEWEE

DO A SEARCH ON THE LINK ABOVE ON "JC", CLICK ON THE POSTING TITLED "Re: Thanks Nicole!! and a Question......" - i GOT THAT PRINTED AND THE PHARMACIST COMPOUNDED IT FOR ME.
GOOD LUCK!! DEE

[Archive]

Originally posted by KP hater

Hi.,. i looked and cant find it>> can you copy and paste it here??? pls pls pls.. I really looked!!! no luck finding it..I'd really appreciate it! thank you@#@@

[Archive]

Originally posted by Brynn's Mom

Bill, I don't want to over-simplify, but this is how I did it: just put 1/2 ounce of the salycitic acid into the tube of Carmol.

I used powder, so, to try to minimize/not have any lumps of SA, I mixed the SA into a bit of water first, and got lumps out. To get the SA/water mixture into the tube of Carmol, use a plastic syringe. (I had one at home -- I'd purchased it a long time ago at a pet supply store, for feeding baby birds) Sqeeze out a little of the Carmol and get rid of it, to make room for the SA. Then shake it up really well. Don't be alarmed at the thiness of the mixture...mine was/is thin.

I'm ready to make a new batch for Brynn right now. If you are successful in getting the liquid SA from Medichest.com, please post saying so. I will order that, this time, too.

Did you get the correct size tube of Carmol? I guess you must have known what size to get, from other posts on the board. I get the one that is $7.00 or $8.00 (from Dermadoc.com)....I don't know what size it is! I can't check right now...as I'm at work.

I am not trying to oversimplify this mixture, but, really, I didn't have too much to go on from the doctor who told us how to do it, over the phone. We just did it! We were just careful at the first application -- that it didn't hurt/burn her skin. (It didn't -- at all.) And we don't "buff" too hard with the loofah. For Brynn, this stuff works quite wonderfully, and it's easy...and wow it is cheap! Good luck.

Sandi (Brynn's mom)

[Archive]

Originally posted by cris

Please correct me if I am wrong but I printed all of the previous post and they state to use 1/10 of an ounce (or 2 point 7 grams, 2.7grams) or SA powder (or wart remover) and mix that with 1/2 oz of water then insert that mixture into a 3oz tube or carmol 20 and shake, shake, shake (then refrigerate). That is what I did and I mixed it myself. Your post states 1/2 oz of SA. I just want to make sure I did it correctly and make sure everyone else (that mixes or has it mixed) does it correctly.
Thanks Cris.

[Archive]

Originally posted by skawiniky

YEah, I can't find it using the search, a cut and paste job would be great!! I would like something to print out so i can get some direction. The million little versions of this "cure"gets confusing, not sure which part s of whact to use....

[Archive]

Originally posted by DEEWEE

OK GUYS, HERE IT IS: POSTING FROM JC (20 JUL)
- I notice that there are some questions concerning Brynn’s mom formula… how to mix it, where to get the materials, possible substitutions, etc… let me try and explain some things on how to whip up this formula so that everyone can get the most out of it… I must warn you guys though, this might sound a little bit like 11th grade chem. class… I sort of have this horrible tendency to write very technically…but I’ll try to make it at least, clear enough for all to understand. Ok, let’s begin. <<ONE>> When incorporating salicylic acid, pharmaceutical grade powder (USP) is best. Ask for this type of powder if getting it somewhere else other than the pharmacy. If you’re getting it from the pharmacy, don’t worry, they use this grade anyways. <<TWO>> Fully SOLUBILIZED Salicylic Acid will have superior keratolytic and vasoconstrictive properties. That is, the “exfoliating” and “red reducing” abilities of sal acid will be enhanced if properly SOLUBILIZED. This said… we must know that the solubility of Sal Acid is roughly 1 in 460 parts of water (which is so small it’s almost safe to say that its Insoluble) OR 1 in 15 parts of boiling water OR 1 in 3 parts of alcohol or ethanol (SD-40). Therefore, when you mix salicylic acid with small amounts of water, actually what you’d really be doing is DISPERSING it, not SOLUBILIZING it. Furthermore, when you incorporate it either in its powder form or dispersed in water into the carmol tube, it will still be DISPERSED, NOT SOLUBILIZED. Incorporating the powder (with no water) to the cream is almost the same thing as mixing it with a bit of water and then incorporating. The water alternative will let you inject it with a siringe though. <<THREE>> The practical implication of this is that when compunding brynn’s mom formula, you or the pharmacist (I hope you go for the pharmacist) will have THREE OPTIONS: 1- Incorporating Salicylic Acid in its powder form OR 2- incorporate it using a bit of water OR 3-incorporating it using a solvent (alcohol, ethanol, etc.) <<FOUR>> MIXING ------ 1.Carmol/Salicylic in water (should be kept on the fridge): Using a separate ceramic dish, pour 2.7 grams of Sal Acid powder. Slowly add .25 oz of distilled water. Mix until homogeneous. Using a syringe, incorporate to the carmol tube and shake vigorously. NOTE that you should NEVER try to incorporate salicylic acid into a small amount of carmol outside the tube since one of carmol’s thickeners, Carbomer is not acid stable and will most likely breakdown due to the low pH of the acid solution (creating kind of like oat cereal clusters). ----- 2. Carmol/Salicylic acid in its powder form: Squeeze a whole tube of carmol into a 4oz jar. Slowly pour 2.5 grams of sal acid powder as you mix vigorously with a spatula. ---------- 3. Carmol/Solubilized salicylic acid: using a ceramic dish, pour 2.7 grams of the sal acid powder, slowly add .27 oz of 90% isopropyl alcohol (rubbing alcohol - .69 cents at walgreens). Incorporate with a siringe into the tube. Shake vigorously. The note on not mixing the sal acid solution outside the tube with a small amount of carmol applies here too. <<FIVE>> Please consider this: 1-You guys are not chemists, I’ve given these guidelines to try and lighten the confusion on the sal acid/carmol compounding issue. 2- To be on the safe side, I would just print this and give it to your pharmacist and let HIM do it. 3- About the three options: The first two options will be considerably milder due to the fact that sal acid is not solubilized, making for a good overall keratolytic moisturizer. The third option (solubilized sal acid) will give the overall compound a lower pH, which will enhance its keratolytic ability while increasing its vasoconstrictive properties (due to the fact that sal acid will penetrate deeper into your skin). This formula though will be considerably stronger than the sal/water mix and might result in excessive dryness… Use it for a while, adjusting the frequency of applications to your skin’s sensitivity level… Antoher good idea would be to alternate this solution with a keratolytic mosterizer… which you have if you already mixed up brynn’s mom’s formula using water!! 4. Store your compounds on the fridge, especially if using the added water formula. 5. If storing for long periods of time, check for unstability indicators like ammonia “kind of” smell or emulsion breakdown (DO NOT use if you suspect any of these). 6. All amounts are based on a 3oz/85gram tube (carmol), if using any other urea product, amounts of sal acid, water, alcohol, etc. will change. Hopefully this info serves useful to all of you out there with doubts…

[Archive]

Originally posted by nikki

I just checked out medchest.com and it was a budget inn hotel....do I have the wrong address? Thanks for your help!

[Archive]

Originally posted by Be

You forgot the i, it's medichest.com

[Archive]

Originally posted by b

[Archive]

Originally posted by Brynn's Mom

Wow, you're right Cris. Sorry I wasn't more careful. It is 1/10 ounce of SA! I checked my post from June 18 and here is what I wrote:

"Anyway ---- the salicytic acid came in the form of a powder, in a 3 oz. bottle. It was 17 1/2% salicytic acid. The pharmacist used 1/10 of an ounce in the Carmol 20. (first he mixed it into a little bit of water, and made it smooth - 1/2 oz of water.)"

The math makes much more sense of course! 1/10 ounce in 3 oz. bottle of Carmol -- would equal 3% SA....is that right? I didn't recall how many ounces in the Carmol tube. (If 3 oz. Carmol and 1/2 ounce SA -- too much SA!) Thank you for catching this - I wasn't being careful enough - trusting my memory.

I don't, and never have refrigerated mine. Dr. never told us to. Someone here on the board suggested it -- to keep it from growing bacteria, was the impression I got.

Sandi (brynn's mom)

[Archive]

Originally posted by Nikki

Great, thanks! I still can't find the powder though....What's it under?

[Archive]

Originally posted by lucy

i live in th UK,
and am interested in trying Brynn's mum's remedy.
but got a little confused with the measurements
and corrections (cris etc).
so please - one more time, could you post the remedy, sandi?
would be much appreciated.
lucy.

[Archive]

Originally posted by RueRue

Does the sa/c20 mixture you use for Brynn take away the bumps and the red/brown spots? or does it just take away the bumps? I am currently using c20 with 3%sa in a cream called dermarest and my condition is not improving. I am planning to try your mixture as soon as I can get the sa. I was thinking of using the wart remover bc that is easy and quick to get at the drug store. Do you think that might work the same? Can you email me @ shannarue19@yahoo.com bc I don't know how to check to see responses on this message board and I don't want to miss your response bc KP is really having a negative effect on my life and I need help with this problem. There are so many msgs I can never find when/if someone replied to one of my questions. I would appreciate it a lot if you could take a few minutes to email me. I have really developed a low self esteem since I got this problem 6mos ago (after the birth of my daughter). I had to wear long sleeves and pants all summer in the terrible heat bc I was to embarrassed to show my arms/legs bc of the severe KP. I will try anything that might work. I want to get the problem cleared up by next summer- hopefully. You seem to be knowledgeable about this KP problem. Thank you. I really look forward to hearing from you. RueRue