Here is the Carmol 20 and salicylic acid recipe
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Here is the Carmol 20 and salicylic acid recipe
Originally posted by Emily L
It kept taking me forever to find this recipe over and over again. I know others have been also trying to find this recipe for Brynn's Mother's solution. I hope you don't mind that I copied it and reposted it so it would be at the top of the message board. : ^ )Emily L Just a quick word of caution: the final concentration of salicylic acid in the creme is THREE PERCENT by weight. I saw a couple of posts that indicated they were trying to create a 17.5% concentration. One tube of Carmol 20, at 17.5% salicylic acid, will take the hood off your car. I found an easy way to get the desired end product without having to take organic chemistry courses or have a pharmacist look at you funny. Take one three ounce (85g) tube of Carmol 20. Remove two or three teaspoons of the cream. Place it in a small dish. Add to the dish, one 1/2 ounce bottle of Walgreens (also Walmart, CVS and Dr. Scholl's) Wart Remover. Make sure that it is the strongest variety available (at least 15%, preferably 17.5%). Before adding it, let it sit at room temperature for three to four hours. This will allow the carriers and binders that make it stick to your skin to evaporate. Mix the evaporated Wart Remover with the cream in the dish. Use a medicine syringe (no needle) to put the mixed cream back into the Carmol tube. THEN SHAKE LIKE HELL (to avoid acidic hot spots in the cream) Apply to KP areas. Buff lightly with a moistened (but not wet) loofa sponge. Repeat daily and discontinue if it causes irritation. HOW DOES IT WORK? Urea is a weak acid rich in nitrogen. It is a product that your body's cells produce from metabolizing proteins. The body accumulates urea and sends it to the kidneys where it is turned into urine. You know the rest of that one. The urea changes the permeability of the walls of the skin cells so that the emolients contained in the cream can penetrate faster and more effectively. The salicylic acid is a potent anti-pyretic. That is fancy for anti-irritant. Salicylates stop inflammation by blocking the irritants caused by the inflamation. The most common salicylate is aspirin...the old kind...not Ibuprofen or Tylenol. The loofa sponge is simply a mechanical exfoliant. It just abrades the cells forming the bumps off the skin. So, we have an anti-inflammatory moisturizer that is augmented with mechanical exfoliation... It worked for Brynn. Nay sayers? Isopropyl Myristate is in almost every cosmetic product. Look at your shampoo and cream rinse and soap. It is there and probably hasn't killed you yet. Salicylate poisoning? As a topical preparation, your skin will absorb very little of it to the point it reaches the sub-dermal capillaries and becomes absorbed by the blood. Remember, we humans are waterproof! Richard |
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Re: Here is the Carmol 20 and salicylic acid recipe
Originally posted by BH
This is the exact recipe I followed. The only exception is that I did not allow the wart remover liquid to evaporate- those who did found that it started to 'gel-up'. Instead, I incorporated it right away. It turned into a lumpy mixture that resembles 'broken' hollandaise. I, for one, thinks it's TONS easier to just go to a freakin dermatologist and get the RX and have a pharmacist do it right. But if anyone actually succeeds with this recipe, please post your success! So far, I haven't read a single post indicating success with this recipe. |
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Added note, make sure it's a glass dish!
Originally posted by Emily L
Put the wart remover in a dish...not plastic variety..glass or ceramic. Let the liquid evaporate a bit. Put a teaspoon of Carmol 20 in the dish. Mix well. Now you have to get that teaspoon full of the mix back in the tube. I use a medicine syringe. It is like the ones that the Dr. uses to give you shots, except there is no needle part. Draw up the mixed Carmol and the wart remove and inject it in the hole in the tube where the cream comes out. You will need to make that hole bigger because the needle won't fit. I used a small Phillips head screw driver to make the hole a little bit larger. THEN SHAKE SHAKE SHAKE Richard a/k/a Brynn's Mom's Fiance |
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Re: Here is the Carmol 20 and salicylic acid recipe
Originally posted by Emily L
I am wondering if the salicylic acid and carmol 20 would work seperately. EX, put keralyt gel (6%) or another product with sal acid on first, then put carmol 20 on maybe 20-30 min later. Instead of mixing a high percentage with the carmol 20. It may work instead of trying to be a chemist and screwing it all up and wasting a whole tube.... who knows... I didn't even know any of these products existed until a few weeks ago. |
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Re: Here is the Carmol 20 and salicylic acid recipe
Originally posted by BH
It sounds logical to me and I will try that next if I don't get in to see a derm right away. I'll order the Keralyt and order a product with 20% Urea -- there are a few. Ureacin is one I've used too. Then just layer them; apply one then the other. |
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mix it on your skin--yes!
Originally posted by Debra
If you mix sal acid and Carmol 20 in a glass dish, you'll get a "broken hollandaise" type consistency. So just mix it on your skin and then exfoliate. Forget about trying to get sal acid from your pharmacist--just buy a tube of Keralyt (6% sal acid). Try to use equal parts of Keralyt and Carmol 20 and you'll have a 3% sal acid solution by weight (the same percentage recommended by Brynn's mom). I use Keralyt by itself, at full 6% strength, so I wouldn't worry too much about getting it exactly right unless you need to make it mild enough for a child's skin. If this combination works for you, THEN work at finding a pharmacist who will give the sal acid powder to you. Keralyt is available over the counter (apparently Eckerds carries it, plus you can get it at Dermadoctor.com and Dermstore.com). Keralyt is ten bucks a tube, so the sal acid powder will probably be cheaper--if you can get it. Try it first to make sure that the trouble is worth it. I don't use Carmol, just Keralyt plus a steroid cream. It's the best combo I've found so far. I've NEVER been to a derm who recommended salicylic acid, even though it's MUCH more effective that the LacHydrin they tell us all to use. |
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Re: Here is the Carmol 20 and salicylic acid recipe
Originally posted by No more mixing
Just wanted to add to this thread. I, too, had problems mixing the sal. acid/carmol 20 combo. So, I took the route this thread mentioned: karalyt + carmol 20, one on top of another. I put on hydrocortisone cream as a bonus to try to reduce the redness further. I've been using this combo for a week. The bumps are less bumpy, but the redness is still there. I'll keep you all posted. |
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Re: mix it on your skin--yes!
Originally posted by BH
Yeah, I already know about the 'broken hollandaise' - firsthand. One of my dermatologist's told me to use T-Sal shampoo as a body wash with a buf puf -- this shampoo is 3% Salicylic Acid. I've tried it. But that alone just isn't enough for me. I plan to try Ultramide 25 in place of the Carmol and the Keralyt gel. Ultramide is 25% Urea, and comes in a larger quantity. I have a large area to treat - pretty much my entire torso plus upper arms and upper thighs. (Only my face, neck lower arms, lower legs and feet are clear!) Consequently, Carmol 20's measley little 3 oz tube goes pretty darn quick. What steroid do you use and do you need an RX to get it? Are you one of the people using Diprosalic, or something like that? I may try that eventually too. |
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