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    Keratosis Pilaris and Gluten Intolerance

    Here, some people claim that after they go for gluten free diet, they got rid of their KP as well:

    Anyone Else With Keratosis Pilaris? - Celiac Disease and Gluten-Free Forum (Home)

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    I ate gluten-free for many years (and still don´t eat it often) but it didn´t improve my KP.

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    i did gluten free for 3 months, 100% gluten free
    it didnt get rid of my KP, i think the GLUTEN free diet is a fad, i think its BS
    here is why i think this
    cuz if u google search gluten free diet, everyone is saying it cures everything, its like a magic thing u take outta ur diet that cures all problems ever
    cancer all forms of skin conditions, its retarded

    its just a fad

    also, i think the candida fad is a buncha BULL too, cuz if it really did cause bad skin then u could take an anti fungal pill and itd clear ur dumb skin up
    this gluten free fad is good cuz its low carb, but thats pretty much the only thing good bout it

    i dont buy into a lot of this fad health **** non scientific garbage that gets out there

    but hey, im not closed minded i mean i tested it out myself to see if it did actually work
    just in case, just like i tested the stupid ANTI CANDIDA diet thing
    and 0 results for both the cure everything end all things that affect our health

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qdizzle View Post
    i did gluten free for 3 months, 100% gluten free it didnt get rid of my KP, i think the GLUTEN free diet is a fad, i think its BS here is why i think this
    cuz if u google search gluten free diet, everyone is saying it cures everything, its like a magic thing u take outta ur diet that cures all problems ever
    cancer all forms of skin conditions, its retarded
    its just a fad
    Yes, yes yes, the gluten-free diet didn't work for you, therefore it must be a fad. This is just what the 2.6 million undiagnosed celiacs in the USA need to hear so they won't get tested or go on a diet that could, yes, reduce their "risk of developing autoimmune disorders, neurological problems, osteoporosis and even cancer."*

    *"Facts & Figures of Celiac Disease" published by The University of Chicago Celiac Disease Center. more at: The University of Chicago - Celiac Disease Center - Factsheets

    Your kind of logic is like "I have a stuffy nose, therefore I must have a sinus infection, therefore I'm going on antibiotics... damn antibiotics didn't work, they must be a scam."

    Stuffy noses can be caused by allergies, vaso-motor constriction dysfunction, bacteria, viruses and even fungi. You can treat the symptoms with a decongestant for most of these things just as you can treat the symptom of KP - bumpy skin, e.g. - with exfoliation but that does not get to treating the cause for many of us. If you actually treat the cause of the stuffy nose, you may have better results, just as you may have better results treating the cause of your KP if you can figure it out. So if the cause of the stuffy nose was allergies, the antibiotics probably wouldn't work would they? or vice-cersa.

    If you try to treat for one cause when it is not applicable to your body, of course you won't get the results you desire. This happen in medical misdiagnosis fairly often. Drs are only human. No surprise that when we diagnose ourselves we also get it wrong sometimes. Not only did Drs misdiagnose me for decades, I also only thought I had a "wheat allergy" when I first got into this. Plus I though I could still eat Rice Krispies, Kix, tortilla chips & french fries ( both usu. fried in oil that also has had lots of wheat batter in it) and be wheat free (let alone actually gluten-free) and had no clue how much cross-contamination there was in some things. Most people don't get that all straightened out for at least a year even when the diet is medically prescribed. It's a lot to learn but then you got it.

    So, lucky you, you may not have celiac disease.

    How's that Malassezia Globosa fungus treatments going, btw?
    Last edited by bunnyday; 08-24-2010 at 12:54 PM.
    - bd: 46 yo F; Dr. Woods Black Soap w/Shea Butter for facewash; Sea Salt + Epsom Salt scrub in shower; Cetaphil RestoraDerm unscented lotion, Alba Botanica Kona Coffee After-Sun lotion on face; reg. exercise; OilPulling; a basic multi-vite plus calcium/Vit D, o3s; eating GLUTEN-FREE DIET for Celiac Disease, and not much dairy as I get allergic reaction; Arms 99% clear, face neck chest 98%, legs 90% clear, butt is 99% clear. All dietary treatments above help reduce my sinus congestion and joint pain besides help my skin.

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    no, my kind of logic is all these treatments for various diseases coming out for things like a gluten free diet, is KP celiac disease? no it isnt
    so why is it thrown out there like a KP cure? its labeled as a cure all end all just like the candida diet
    when all it does is help people out a lot who have a very serious problem like celiac disease
    celiac disease is a very serious condition that may start off as a little problem but gets progressively worse and worse
    just because people have celiac disease doesnt mean that if you cut gluten out of your diet every single problem in the human body will be cured. like the random disease of KP will be taken care of by cutting out gluten
    google the myriad of cures gluten free seems to help, it cures EVERYTHING
    and its labeled as a cure for pretty much every incurable thing out there, thats why i dont trust it.

    also, KP affects 40% of the worlds population, if america only has around 2.6 million celiac disease people that puts it way lower then 40%, 40% of america is 120 million people

    the antifungal stuff on the skin only helped for like 2 months, then it seemed to stop helping, i did that for about 5 months straight along with a gluten free diet, i used 2% pyrithione zinc shampoo on my skin
    pyrithione zinc shampoo took care of my itchy scalp and irritation at first too, but now it doesnt help me.
    its possible for fungus to grow a tolerance to medication, so im unsure on weather it just doesnt work or if the fungus became immune

    right now im reading up on post of people who used sulfur products and have had good results on the skin
    sulfur is another antifungal, but its also an anti parasite and anti bacterial
    so it still seems like killing something on the skin seems to sooth KP for quite a few people
    Finally found a treatment that really, honestly works!
    thats a link to a KP community thing on sulfur on the skin
    sulfur also kills fungus, but it also kills parasites like demodex, so its possible that its killing fungus and curing the KP or its killing a parasite and fixing kp

    EITHER WAY, its killing something, and KP is getting better

    bleach works to help ease peoples KP also, bleach pretty much kills everything
    thats why i think it has to do with killing something on the skin thats the path to curing KP
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qdizzle View Post
    no, my kind of logic is all these treatments for various diseases coming out for things like a gluten free diet, is KP celiac disease?
    ok, that sentence isn't grammatically understandable. But regardless I agree with and also dislike when people sell a "gluten-free" diet, like Elizabeth Hasselbeck's book, as if it is a weight-loss diet or something else. She should know better, she actually has celiac disease. Just because it helps HER maintain her weight, it won't help everyone. Scientists even can check people's genes now to figure out if they will best lose weight on a low-carb or a low-fat diet. It varies depending on genetics and possibly other factors.

    I'm not particularly interested in finding all the possible links, I believe you when you say there are people claiming a GF diet cures all kinds of things and of course it won't be the cure for everyone's KP. Did you see the thread I started in General Discussion area where I'm guessing there are roughly 330 undiagnosed celiacs who belong to this board? So, no, that's not the whole board but it's a nice chunk of people who I wish to know about testing, problems with testing and that there's celiac disease with almost no symptoms in a lot of people and all kinds of things.

    For some of those people, a GF diet is going to make a HUGE diff in their KP because with celiac turned on (when you eat gluten) you have serious damage to the intestines which causes malabsorption which then causes all kinds of other damage beyond the guts. Vitamin A is often not absorbed , also zinc, also fatty acids, all three of which can have a very negative impact on the skin. Once eating gluten-free, necessary nutrients are absorbed again and many problems that are secondary to the celiac disease clear up, including but not limited to KP, digestive problems, metabolic issues (I lost weight, some celiacs gain on the GF diet), nervous system and mood issues, etc...


    also, KP affects 40% of the worlds population, if america only has around 2.6 million celiac disease people that puts it way lower then 40%, 40% of america is 120 million people
    I think what you may be trying to say here is that gluten-free diet won't help everyone with KP. That makes sense. Based simply on stats of one in one-hundred and thirty three people have diagnosable celiac disease (this doesn't even cover gluten-sensitivity, see below*), that was the rough figure I came up with. Follicular hyperkeratosis is a known secondary symptom of celiac disease. Point blank. Back to the stuffy nose analogy - not everyone with KP has celiac disease, duh. that's like saying that everyone with a stuffy nose has allergies just because I do. that's idiotic. But KP could be an indicator, especially in combo with other symptoms, factors, or genetics.

    bleach works to help ease peoples KP also, bleach pretty much kills everything
    thats why i think it has to do with killing something on the skin thats the path to curing KP
    bleach I can't use in that way. Plus I don't need to because the GF diet does work for me. So I hope that you figure out what works for you without trashing other people's methods too often. I don't think that overreacting to the GF diet hype helps anything. There are plenty of civilizations that thrived for centuries without wheat, rye or barley - we got some pretty amazing inventions out of China if my memory serves me correctly. So I'm not horribly worried about people eating gluten-free even if they don't HAVE to. They can if they want to.


    *New article in the Wall Street Journal is one of the best I have read in a long time especially for people unfamiliar with the whole gluten uproar. Mentions even the newest research:

    "A third category of people [non-celiacs and non-allergic]—as many as 20 million Americans—appear to be sensitive to gluten without having full-blown celiac disease. For them, symptoms may be less typical, involving depression, mental fogginess, mood swings and behavior changes. Much less is known about this group."It's only in the last couple of years that we have realized there truly is a third condition that involves the immune system, but in a different way than a typical allergy or autoimmune reaction," says Alessio Fasano, a celiac expert at the University of Maryland School of Medicine."
    more at:

    Giving Up Gluten to Lose Weight? Not So Fast - WSJ.com
    - bd: 46 yo F; Dr. Woods Black Soap w/Shea Butter for facewash; Sea Salt + Epsom Salt scrub in shower; Cetaphil RestoraDerm unscented lotion, Alba Botanica Kona Coffee After-Sun lotion on face; reg. exercise; OilPulling; a basic multi-vite plus calcium/Vit D, o3s; eating GLUTEN-FREE DIET for Celiac Disease, and not much dairy as I get allergic reaction; Arms 99% clear, face neck chest 98%, legs 90% clear, butt is 99% clear. All dietary treatments above help reduce my sinus congestion and joint pain besides help my skin.

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    its possible if you have a gluten sensitivity that it would increase the stress levels in the body.

    "Another possible link is the reduction of inflammation of the system that results from a gluten-free diet. Because this is an autoimmune disorder, it follows that perhaps the reduction of symptoms from other similar disorders might calm the stress levels in the body. "

    Skin Conditions Associated with Gluten Intolerance and Celiac - Atlanta Gluten-Free Food | Examiner.com

    stress hormones can affect the bodys oil production
    oil production could feed living things on the skin causing all sorts of skin conditions
    weather its a bacteria fungus or common parasite

    "Sebaceous glands can usually be found in hair-covered areas, where they are connected to hair follicles (see image at top). The glands deposit sebum on the hairs, and bring it to the skin surface along the hair shaft. The structure consisting of hair, hair follicle, arrector pili muscle, and sebaceous gland is known as a pilosebaceous unit."
    from this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebaceous_gland

    and:
    "Male hormones stimulate the production of oil secretion. Sebaceous glands sensitively react to the androgens."
    from this link: http://www.2-acne.com/hormones-acne.htm

    hormones affect oil growth, and they make the oil in the hair follicle
    i think it has to do with the chemical balance of the oil which may be genetic, or may have to do with certain hormones affecting the oils composition that creates a feeding ground for SOMETHING to thrive and cause multiple skin conditions. irritating the skin

    i just see a connection to killing stuff on the skin and KP diminishing.
    I don't think bleach is a good idea, it just works for treating KP, i tried it and my KP went down a lot to almost flesh colored, but the bleach fumes are toxic, and its probably not good to put on your skin either. it made me feel sick too

    I apologize for dissing the gluten free diet, i do believe people can be mildly allergic to random stuff and it can affect how well your intestines absorb nutrients, not to the extent of celiac disease necessarily, but i believe its very possible that sensitivity to foods could cause problems with vitamin absorption.
    Celiac disease is just an extreme case of villi being destroyed messing up nutrient absorption.

    hormone changes in pregnant people and teens is well known, and its also well known that during pregnancy or during your teen years your more likely to get KP or scalp conditions, or any other skin condition. Even acne can happen more during these hormonal changes. why is that?
    Stress and skin disorders, stress related skin conditions, Stress related skin disorder

    acne, psoriasis, eczema, and KP have all been claimed to be helped with reducing gluten in the diet, along with sulfur on the skin, salicylic acid, benzyl peroxide, pyrithione zinc, selenium sulfide
    i could go on and on about random products that have been praised with curing or helping with every single one of these skin conditions
    what do these things have in common? they all kill stuff

    I know there is a link to all these random crazy things that work to fix peoples KP, it may see random it may seem like there is hundreds of random triggers but i think it all comes from the same problem.

    i dont think gluten is the cause for everyone, but it could cause hormone production from internal body stress. same with any allergic reaction.

    but yeah thats just a theory, in the mean time everyone should be trying to eat healthy anyways and working out
    no matter what thats good for everything in ur body

    why would 40% of all humans on the PLANET have a error in there genes? KP is extremely common
    why do 80% of teens who have raging hormones have KP? 80% of teens on the PLANET
    and why does KP mysteriously disappear as people get older? when people get older their hormone production goes down as well

    if you see this artical about sebum composition it says it changes with age and the composition can change based diffrent factors
    http://health.howstuffworks.com/skin...omy/sebum2.htm

    im pretty damn shure this has do with why killing stuff on the skin helps KP
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    Re: Keratosis Pilaris and Gluten Intolerance

    I tried a gluten- and dairy-free diet for multiple years, and it didn't help my KP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qdizzle View Post
    "Another possible link is the reduction of inflammation of the system that results from a gluten-free diet. Because this is an autoimmune disorder, it follows that perhaps the reduction of symptoms from other similar disorders might calm the stress levels in the body. "

    Skin Conditions Associated with Gluten Intolerance and Celiac - Atlanta Gluten-Free Food | Examiner.com

    stress hormones can affect the bodys oil production
    oil production could feed living things on the skin causing all sorts of skin conditions
    weather its a bacteria fungus or common parasite
    Good article and I think it's a relevant point that you're making. To be fair, I have been doing things like exfoliating with sugar or epsom salts and using mild salicylic or AHAs over the same period that I figured out this whole gluten intolerance thing and while they help me manage the smoothness of my skin, if I get glutened, I get inflammation and I get bumps in a few little spots and other follicles start looking a bit reddish you know.

    Prior to being gluten-free the exfoliation wasn't enough by itself but since I did do all these things at the same time I can't say I haven't been changing the microbe diversity or population on my skin either or that the changes in my health didn't change the hormone levels (it probably did) and therefore change sebum content to discourage bad buggies or whatever. In Baronster's narrative, she only used exfoliation for a bit in the beginning and then dietary changes did the most.

    I don't think bleach is a good idea, it just works for treating KP, i tried it and my KP went down a lot to almost flesh colored, but the bleach fumes are toxic, and its probably not good to put on your skin either. it made me feel sick too
    I see. Have you tried a smaller amount of bleach in a bath? like a half cup in a full bath? That was the calculation I figured was safe-ish.

    I apologize for dissing the gluten free diet, i do believe people can be mildly allergic to random stuff and it can affect how well your intestines absorb nutrients, not to the extent of celiac disease necessarily, but i believe its very possible that sensitivity to foods could cause problems with vitamin absorption.
    It's very nice of you to apologize though you certainly didn't express yourself all that terribly really - we've all read worse on the 'net I'm sure. And I know I take up the "celiac awareness" flag around here very seriously but I believe that you can understand why since you are obviously sharp. I very much appreciate your dedication to doing research yourself.
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    Re: Keratosis Pilaris and Gluten Intolerance

    More research on sebum composition and how it can change
    and different people do have different sebum compositions
    here is an example
    Science Links Japan | The Relationship between Sebum Composition, Facial Skin Condition and Seasonal Changes.

    not much research has been done on seasonal affects of sebum production, but isnt it possible that sunlight can affect sebum production or composition as well as tan the skin to mask the effects of KP?

    this girl on this forum was saying her doctor told her not to eat certain foods in order to get rid of a over production of sebum disorder that some people have
    Don't eat what sebum is made of

    is this the reason introducing omega fatty acid pills help people with KP because its also recommended in helping reducing sebum production?

    and again i go back to a fungus that feeds on oils and how it can cause eczema
    Abnormal sebum composition and commensal Malassezia furfur
    it says that some people have abnormal sebum composition which makes the fungus thrive
    so isnt it possible that diffrent factors in diet and hormones could play a role in sebum production? and it doesnt have to be a fungus
    it could be bacteria, fungus OR parasites, but the composition is feeding SOMETHING in the sebum rich areas like hair follicles which causes a very minor irritation
    this minor irritation could trigger a gene to activate to shed skin or cause excess keratin production, as a reaction to the irritatnt

    its well known that genes can be activated and deactivated due to certain conditions, so how do we know that KP is genetic? what if its just a genetic reaction to a certain mild type of irritation

    think about it, we have a lot of **** that is common on the skin, bacteria, fungus and microscopic parasites
    so when scientist check KP for abnormal stuff but dont see anything out of the ordinary its NO WONDER they never found a cure, because its just a mild over production of a certain living thing that feeds on sebum
    that causes a genetic response in retaliation to it


    look at every single skin condition, like eczema, psoriasis, acne, and yes even KP
    u see products like sulfur that are known to help ease every single one of these skin conditions

    my theory is that varying compositions in the sebum glands caused by different variations in hormone production, AND in diet that affects sebum production, will cause the perfect feeding ground for SOMETHING, and when that SOMETHING is killed it goes away, and because the variations could be different the affects of the skin irritation can be different, and thats why we got a buncha INCURABLE skin conditions that all get soothed from similar treatments

    the problem with living things is they can grow immunity to things that kill them
    like bugs and pesticides, so some people will try something and give up after it stops working, thinking it was just a dead end
    when in reality it was killing it then stopped being effective

    here is another link about how diet can affect sebum composition
    The effect of a low glycemic load diet on acne vul... [J Dermatol Sci. 2008] - PubMed result

    so yeah its obvious, cutting things out of the diet can affect the production, one way or another
    is this why some foods agrivate KP and others dont?

    look at the facts
    we got multiple similar skin disorders, eczema, acne, psoriasis, and KP... their all caused from something in the skin overgrowing, clogging pours to cause pimples, over shedding skin to cause scales, and just shedding skin period to cause the flaking in eczema, and then the overproduction of keratin which is another form of overproduction of skin cells
    and their all incurable and a mystery
    they all get relieved with diet, and they all are relief by putting **** on the skin that kills a variety of stuff

    even rosacia is treated with sulfur cream on the skin, which kills pretty much everything, or its treated with diet, which can affect sebum production

    one of the links is some of these disorders mysteriously go away with age
    here is an example for eczema
    "Fortunately, eczema goes away with age, and many the children who have this condition grow out of in their older age."
    from: Cure For Eczema

    when we age or get older we get less hormone production and it can change sebum composition

    pregnant women tend to get excema and KP, thats another hormonal change

    80% of all teens have KP, thats a big hormonal time

    i really see a link with hormonal changes and KP, and i see where KP is, directly in the area of sebum production, and sebum is directly affected by hormones

    getting to the point of my rant
    i think a sebum affecting diet would be effective at treating KP,
    i also think putting stuff ont he skin that is powerful enough to kill things in the hair follicle would help treat KP

    here is another interesting artical about sebum: http://www.eczema.cc/sebaceous_glands_and_sebum.html

    most stuff cant get that deep, specially with the keratin plugs and stuff, idk if its fungus, bacteria, or a parasite but i am starting to think its something


    check it out, a cream that gets rid of oil production on the skin, i wonder if this would aid in KP? http://www.sanafela.com/
    sorry for the long rant
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    Hi to all

    Hey I’m new here. I am sorry if "Keratosis Pilaris and..."
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    Re: Keratosis Pilaris and Gluten Intolerance

    Qdizzle, I invite you to go through the articles I've listed in my blog here also:
    http://www.keratosispilaris.org/blogs/bunnyday/
    here's one in particular I thought of because of its use of dust mite extract or something as the main irritant to skin:
    http://www.keratosispilaris.org/blog...silymarin.html
    - bd: 46 yo F; Dr. Woods Black Soap w/Shea Butter for facewash; Sea Salt + Epsom Salt scrub in shower; Cetaphil RestoraDerm unscented lotion, Alba Botanica Kona Coffee After-Sun lotion on face; reg. exercise; OilPulling; a basic multi-vite plus calcium/Vit D, o3s; eating GLUTEN-FREE DIET for Celiac Disease, and not much dairy as I get allergic reaction; Arms 99% clear, face neck chest 98%, legs 90% clear, butt is 99% clear. All dietary treatments above help reduce my sinus congestion and joint pain besides help my skin.

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    Re: Keratosis Pilaris and Gluten Intolerance

    I am curious about the theory that killing something on our skin. I'm asking this questions because I have started homemade sugar scrub this. Should I be concerned that sugar scrub made with cooking ingredients may actually promote KP, given that micro organisms in our skin may feed on these sugar as well as our sebum? My limited understanding about candida diet is eliminate sugar which will promote growth of bad bacteria in the GI tract. Will the same theory apply to topical sugar and food substances?

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    Great Post

    Awesome post, I will be sure to come back and visit!

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