I endorse that lady 100% because she's very methodical, even if she's ruff in her diplomacy style (or lack thereof) - even she knows how good OP can be to our skinz... did u try that since she also uses OP? but I only would endorse her treatment 50% for general use cuz people gotta figure out for THEMSELVES what's gonna work based on their skin-type and pre-existing conditions besides KP, if they have any.

you cannot say this method is guarnteed no matter what cuz ur not in some "honey I shrunk the germanboner" movie where u walking round inside my pancreas or liver seein if I got the right chemical oozin out to metabolize and utilize the vitamin A u urself admitted is part of a _real_ cure.
from a differnt thred:
so as I wuz sayin u don't know nothin about whether I or the next person has deficiencies or some other skin issues to deal with: eczema, sebborrheic dermatitis, allergies, too many bugs crawling round in the follicles makin it worse with their bacterias they carry, or not eatin enough good fats to properly use vitamin A, or some fungus in our guts stopping the vitamin A and good fats from gettin where they gotta go.

Vitamin A - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Secondary vitamin A deficiency is associated with chronic malabsorption of lipids, impaired bile production and release, low fat diets, and chronic exposure to oxidants, such as cigarette smoke. Vitamin A is a fat soluble vitamin and depends on micellar solubilization for dispersion into the small intestine, which results in poor utilization of vitamin A from low-fat diets."

now ur finally speakin some real truth, u can claim it is an effective treatment. end of story. A POSSIBLE treatment. you cannot 100% guarantee it. unless I'm missin somethin Dr. GB, u got no more creds than the rest of us. My skin responds poorly to shredding it up with metal. It responds nicely to dietary fats, foods high in beta-carotenes and tocopherols (E's) and mild sugar scrubbing.

Turquois is awesome, imho. I will happily PM her site address to anyone interested. - bd

HEY GB! i am doing the same treatment right now! i just finished with the derma crystals, did it for 6 weeks (didn't have a ton of bumps but they r all gone now) anyways question!!! HOW LONG did it take for the RED SPOTS to fade? i know thats what the AHA 15 is gonna do but i was jw. THANKS!

KEBOD, I appreciate your dedication to the kp forum but GB wasnt trying to sell anything I would really appreciate if you would unblock turqoise and or unblock her website because i rather get a few chemical burns because guess what i got from your OP method?????? I GOT WRINKLES, A HUGE OUTBREAK OF ECZEMA, PIMPLES, RED SKIN AND FELT TIRED I GOT ALL THIS FROM OIL PULLING so what your saying about GB and turqouise is ridiculous in my opinion because your method gave me far worse side effects than chemical burns that usually heal. please unblock turqouise!

NYK,

We all know that one method that helps one person doesn't help another. I'm really sorry that OP made things worse for you. You are an exception in this regard. OP gave me more energy, lessened the appearance of wrinkles because my skin is no longer dry, and greatly decreased my KP (by 80-90%). On the other hand, chemical burns are very serious and can leave scars.

I am just a moderator on this forum. I didn't block Turquoise, nor did I block her web site.

kebod

I totally agree with you!

Hi,
I purchase my lotions from ebay.com.It usually takes 7-10 day for it to arrive and the price is very reasonable to me - 23 EUR (shipping included).
Here's the link:
NeoStrata Lotion Plus AHA 15 + Free Sample - eBay (item 350057681306 end time May-14-08 07:54:15 PDT)

could i do this treatmeant along the seabuckthorn that im taking?

has any1 got any links to these products from UK sites?

ok, I'm quoting myself.

I'm taking back my endorsement of turquois. I have two thoughts, either I should say "no comment" or that I have to imagine she could find better use of her considerable intellect but that's her choice and her life.

Perhaps someone with a less combative style than Turquois has can provide some good info to these forums in their own blog or journal or something...

My 50% endorsement of her method of 2 months dermabrasion followed by aha is just that though. It's the maximum point of ignorance, it may work for you or it may not, 50/50.

I want to make the point that Turquois does use Oil Pulling off and on, I guess what she can get herself to do. the first quote I grabbed from her site was this:

"I wish I had good news to report, but there is not much. Oil Pulling is too difficult to keep up with. It makes my skin soft and moisturized, but doing it twice a day is a hassle and I don't seem able to stick to it. Very annoying. It's hard enough to find a treatment that helps, but then you find it and you can't commit to it?"

And stick with me here, she tried some dietary changes but didn't stick with them or get results or whatever, but part of her history is that of medical issues for which she must take lots of medication particularly ibuprofen which is tough on the digestive system. She just may be in the position where the dermabrasion and OP or EFA supplements are about all that will work because meds interfere with absorption of other needed stuff. The OP may get fatty acids and whatever in sublingually and she can tell. I consider myself quite fortunate that I see some results that have made me able to _eliminate_ a steady consumption of ibuprofen and gain some energy back in my life. I would wish better health on all of us.

I add the past couple paragraphs to highlight how different things work for different people because of different contexts.

good luck to us all, yes?

- bd

yes i can guarantee this treatment 100%. nobodys kp bumps are any different from anybody elses just different degrees of it. meaning mild, bad or severe. these aluminum oxide crystals shed the hard keratin plugs and sheds the dead skin off the bumps making them smaller each week. at the end of 3 months of dermabrasion and done once daily, the bumps are flat to the skin surface meaning they are not raised anymore and u cant feel them or see them all u have is the red dots. then after the 2nd part of the treatment the glycolic acid 15% gets rid of the red dots more and more each day till they are so faint to disappearing and all ur signs of kp are gone. cause once the dermabrasion sheds ur bumps flat to the skin surface the glycolic acid seems into ur open pores where bumps use to be and eats away the keratin under the skin surface to the bottom of the hair follicle. yes ull always have to apply this lotion once every two days forever to keep new keratin from building up or till we find a real cure. but long as u have no bumps and red dots and the appearance and ruff feel is gone that is the closest thing to a cure. yes ull always have the kp virus but no one will know u have kp cause there be no more bumps or red dots and ur skin will look like everyone elses. kp is no different on anybody else then the next person so this treatment can work for anybody. as far as glycolic acid burning u have to find the percentage u can stand. i have never seen 15% burn anybody. now if u go over 20% then u could get a sting or burning feeling but anything 20% and below is pretty safe. also after dermabrasion treatment is over wait one week before applying the lotion giving ur skin time to rest a little as it states in her treatment guideline. but yes this treatment can work for anybody who has kp cause its all the same.

thanks Anyas for the link.. I wonder I would like to visit this site you're all talking about...can anyone sent me a link? It's forbidden here but is it possible through a private message? thanks..Scrubbing and applying coconut oil helps a great deal for me but it doesn't fade completely this treatment sounds promising

empty, empty words. you gonna give a money back guarantee?

you still don't address complications from multiple skin conditions that some of us have. YOU may be so lucky as to not have those, but not everyone else is.

You also have not answered whether you use the OIL PULLING METHOD THAT TURQUOIS ALSO USES/USED, or the EFA supplements. Answer?


everybody got that?

well, since you don't have your own pictures, all I can say is Turq's was not the same as mine. Mine looks WAY worse in my b4 photos, more redness and I get pustules, if I don't keep my allergies at bay with dietary changes, that s****e open way too easily at times. bad idea to abrade those.

so I'm quoting you from another thread but I would like to know how many people you know who have tried it and it worked? I had to stop and stay away from the strong AHAs or lactic acids. It was not 100% for me. Though it did get me started on the sugar scrub which I would not have tried if it hadn't been discussed around here so much.

I don't think it's a bad idea for people to learn about Turq's method, especially since she adamantly recommends going at dermabrasion nice and gently. But you HIGHLY overexaggerate, come in with a real "you-know-what's-best-for-other-people" attitude and may give people false hope as much as any other "guaranteed" treatment around here.

We all have our opinions, you are really saying it's your OPINION that this will work for everyone. Just as everyone else here who has had success pretty much thinks their method is the one and only method that will work. Yes, I get it, you're human and just as likely to become dogmatic and fundamentalist about your opinions as anyone.

well done... - bd

first of all bunnyrabbit im not talking about other skin disorders im talking strictly kp. if u have all these other skin disorders then u need to treat them, this is for kp only. second of all why would i have a money back guarantee im not selling anything so that statement makes no sense lol yes everyone that has done her method on her site that i know and everyone that i know has had the same results when her treatment is followed exactly as it states. only people who reported non success are ones who quit dermabrasion, didnt have the time or were two lazy to do it and didnt use aluminum oxide crystals. and some just tried using just the glycolic acid stage 2 of the treatment without doing the dermabrasion part first and only a 20% success rate. i never said you wont have the kp virus i have stated u always will but this treatment is the closest thing to a cure cause no visible signs of kp and thats good as ur gonna get for now. so if no one can see any bumps or red dots then its like u not having it. yes this treatment can cure all visible signs of kp for anybody cause the diagnosis and kp bumps are the same on everybody meaning kp bumps no matter who their on or how many , this treatment serves the same purpose. shedding the skin getting rid of the bumps and glycolic acid gets rid of the red dots. anything else ?