Completely cured myself of KP

gere123 · #1 04-27-2008, 08:04 PM

Hi, I'm 20 from Scotland, been lurking about the forum for a while , wanted to contribute some discoveries I have made in the past regarding KP.

Before going on holiday last year I took up a special diet to get rid of fat, this basically meant cutting all carbs and increasing my protein intake . My KP was completely eliminated about 3-4 weeks at the end of this diet. It was extremely strict I cut out all wheat/dairy and gluten foodstuffs and also engaged in intense cardio(I'm not sure if this was a factor in helping) however I had eliminated 100% all redness and spots and hard bumps on my outer arms and upper legs and chest. My KP previous to this was moderate to severe.

I also did not apply any external creme to my affected areas.

Since then my KP has returned after returning to a varied diet. I have adopted essential fatty acids into my diet recently omega 3,6,9 pill and linseeds twice daily to see if it makes a difference. I plan to cut out dairy and wheat and sugar products to see if KP manifests itself due to a food sensitivity as it may well be a factor.

I would return to the original diet however it was extremely difficult and draining, I wouldn't advise anyone to take it up.

I have attached pictures of the results from before my holiday, and will post pics of what my KP looks like at the present tommorow.

If anyone has had any similar experiences please share

PS- the patch behind my arm is a scar lol

johnE · #2 04-28-2008, 05:35 PM

gere,

ok this is interesting. so you started an adkins diet and your kp went away.
in the pics are you showing us kp or clear skin?
there are dangers associated with a high fat diet like that
High Fat, Low Carbs, What's the Harm?
i tied that diet years ago i could only stick with it for a week, i started geting dizzy and weak all the time.

gere123 · #3 04-29-2008, 11:42 AM

these pics are me rid of KP, the Atkins diet is a low fat, high protein diet lol... And yes there is dangers associated with it, hence 'stating' I wouldn't advise anyone to try it.

johnE · #4 04-29-2008, 03:57 PM

no adkins is were you eat meat ,little vegtables and no bread no carbs.
the hamberger without the bun.
do you have pics with kp?

JustaKid · #5 04-29-2008, 04:08 PM

I have been on a No wheat, small intakes of dairy(mainly cheese) and minimal sugar, and my flushing/blushing as well as some KP has gone down noticably. Although if i eat wheat, the next day i flush sorta bad. I have KPRF and KP.

johnE · #6 04-29-2008, 04:29 PM

hello justakid,

so do you think you have candida then?

i would like to try giving up bread and sugar.
but i love bread and sugar.

gere123 · #7 04-29-2008, 08:28 PM

It's Atkins not 'Adkins' lol, don't know if this is a joke or not lol

, and in answer to that response yes, I'll post them today at some point

JustaKid · #8 04-30-2008, 09:34 AM

I am not sure about the candida, i have never looked into it whatsoever, but halting my intake of wheat and most sugar/acidic things has decreased my flushing/blushing..and helped the kp on my body slightly. I am currently looking into the candida.

bunnyday · #9 04-30-2008, 01:11 PM

JohnE - That article is weak - so, so very weak... (I question its validity it's so poorly written.) Check out Gary Taubes book "Good Calories, Bad Calories" before you make up your mind about high protein diets. There's increasing evidence (and British researchers are WAY ahead on this - American researchers got side tracked) that it is high levels of insulin in a person's body that leads to artherosclerosis, cancers, and obesity NOT high levels of fats and proteins. Ketosis is different than ketoacidosis. And that article still uses bacon as an example, what a stupid thing for that writer to invoke! No one recommends eating a bunch of processed meats that are loaded with nitrates and god knows what else. That's just BAD journalism and paints a very misleading picture of what that kind of eating is about. (which is about eating good proteins and fats and low-sugar veggies and fruits and some whole grains, the "atkins induction" is not how you are supposed to eat for the rest of your life.)

frontline: diet wars: interview: gary taubes | PBS

The aforementioned interview has a good synopsis of how American research got led down a side-winding, incorrect path:

"In the '50s, '60s, and '70s, there were a school of British researchers who said it's sugar, flour, white rice, what we now call "easily digestible carbohydrates" or "high glycemic-index carbohydrates." The diet doctors pushing low-carbohydrate diets, like Atkins and Taller and people like this, were sort of disciples of these British researchers. They read some of their writing, ad the idea was, primitive peoples, when they adopt Western diets, [they] adopt Western diseases as well: diabetes, heart disease, obesity, the foremost ones; some cancers -- colon cancer and breast cancer. These British researchers pushed this theory and it kind of got run over by the dietary fad, cholesterol, heart disease dogma. [Other] researchers said: Well, if sugar and refined carbohydrates don't raise cholesterol, then they can't cause heart disease. Or if we can't prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that every country that has a high sugar consumption has high heart disease, then that means the theory's not true.
There were two different standards at work. In the heart disease dogma, every piece of positive evidence supported the hypotheses and moved it forward, and every piece of negative evidence, contradictory evidence, was ignored. In the refined carbohydrates theory, every piece of negative evidence was proof that the theory was wrong, and every piece of positive evidence was ignored. So you had two entirely different standards. One of them moves forward to become the theory we're living by today, this idea that if we cut back on fat, we'll be healthier. And the other sort of gets squelched."

Get it? Most American researchers and establishments only held onto results that helped, if only slightly, the "dietary fat leads to obesity and heart disease theory" while any results that proved or supported OTHER theories was thrown away. That's not science, that's manipulation. (There were some very good US researchers who followed a similar path of the brits and others)

There's more and more evidence mounting up and being realized by us laypeople that we have been terribly misled to be taught that a high carb/ low fat diet was beneficial.

High Sugar Levels Increase Cancer and Mortality Risk

"Elevated blood sugar levels and diabetes are risk factors for developing several types of cancer and mortality, according to researchers at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and Yonsei University in Seoul, Korea. The researchers followed over 1.2 million Koreans for 10 years, tracking new cancer cases and deaths from cancer. Study participants with diabetes, as well as those without diabetes and higher fasting blood sugar levels, were more likely to develop cancer or to die from cancer. For those without diabetes, cancer risk increased with an increasing fasting blood sugar level."

High-protein/Low-Carb can be achieved in many ways, even vegan and vegetarian ways. If a person claims to be a vegetarian but still eats mostly white processed flour, white sugar and processed "cheeses", they are extremely ill-educated BUT a vegetarian who avoids white flour and white sugar, may be doing a low carb diet by virtue of the the whole grains being higher in fibers and lower in sugars. I know people who implement a low carb diet using berries and soymilk (don't get Silk which is soooo sugary), lots of veggies and melt a little hard cheese on em, eggs, nuts and seeds, maybe some sweet potatoes and things when you want starches.

Also, if you haven't yet, I highly recommend you go to this link and watch the video there:

NOVA | scienceNOW | Epigenetics | PBS

If you actually read the Gary Taubes book (check your local library, he's real science writer, they probably have it) you may well become convinced to give up your white bread and white sugar. It has worked on me quite well. Last night I ate a huge bowl of stir-fried green beans with garlic ginger sesame seeds and tofu and avocado - no white rice. that's a big deal for me. that was low carb and didn't include "bacon".
guh! that just irritates me when I see writers who are supposed to be educated still using the "bacon" argument. and I LIKE bacon! but I only eat it once every couple of months and I buy the organic stuff with no nitrates.
anyway,

Thanks for bringing this up gere123. I'd like to know if you followed a certain high-protein regimen, just out of curiosity to see how strict it was and how varied it was. I have noticed less inflammation in my skin having cut out white sugar and most white flour and I've only been doing it a couple weeks even falling off the wagon one day to eat my favorite Indian bread: naan. I'm not really following a high protein model as far as a strict Atkins model but some of the others - sugarbusters, south beach, zone, many more - I don't know about and have only so much time to research!
Thanks!
- bd

kebod · #10 04-30-2008, 04:52 PM

BD,

Thank you very much for a very informative post. One day, we will finally realize how much nutritional misinformation we have been taught. It is so hard to throw off old habits, and learning to eat differently won't be easy. I still have a bit of guilt (not much) when I slather on the butter. I'm almost resentful of all those years I avoided butter, cream, cheese, meat fats, and even restricted good fats. I still see "low-fat" recipes that call for reducing olive oil, one of the healthiest oils!

Our children and grandchildren may grow up, knowing that a low-carb, high protein diet with plenty of healthy fats will keep them healthy into old age. I hope they won't feel guilty and will be able to enjoy sweet cream butter.

kebod

gere123 · #11 04-30-2008, 06:41 PM

Ah... the diet was extremely strict,protein shakes,tuna,chicken it consisted of basically. I eat no carbs, although there was times when I felt extremely weak, I consumed fibrous carbohydrates like asparagus,brocolli, green vegtables ect to keep me going, I was doing alot of cardio at the time as well lol...

It's no way to live, anyways I've started a wheat/dairy/sugar free diet, with the exception of eggs, can't go without them. Omega 3 6 9 supplements & crushed linseed for my EFA's too, not going to bother with a multivitamin..

If this solves the problem I would happily stay on the diet to avoid all this scrubbing ect. It's pretty easy to get carbs from other sources eg potatoes,beans,nuts, rice. Extremely cheap as well.

Sorry about the recent pics,I've been really busy, I'll post them as soon as poss.

Cheers for feedback guys, I'll keep you all updated

bunnyday · #12 05-01-2008, 11:50 AM

kebod, gere123 - just for clarity, I don't mean to imply some evil conspiracy or something. Doctors and Researchers are human. Some of them really thought they were onto something that would benefit people's health. Then they got the ear of the US government who meddled by creating a carb heavy food pyramid that many of us got indoctrinated with as kids. what a flop. Now, the estabilshed associations, etc... are trying to back-pedal in the most graceful way possible since we have a society that has an obesity epidemic and, is diabetes at epidemic levels too? it's all so sad. - bd

kebod · #13 05-01-2008, 03:06 PM

BD,

I don't think there was any type of conspiracy, either. It was due to a human defect to have a pre-conceived theory or idea, and then look only at the research that supports that theory. Scientists are only human and they make mistakes, too. The shame is that the population is paying for the mistakes with their health.

kebod