ill follow your advice and isolate myself.
ill also followed your advice and set up an appointment with a counselor.
and ill also go to anger management class so i dont come across as harsh anymore.

thank you for your post!

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maybe if you met someone online. maybe in this forum


i think the chances of her having it like i do, are very slim.

my options are either finding an effective treatment
or finding a nice girl with kp[ maybe through this forum]
or not dating.
i dont understand why people try to simplify this problem . folksy voice: well just get out there.
they must not have it that bad. you probably cant even tell they have it.

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John buddy,

When you take the girl home she is drunk most the time and then you turn off the lights!!!!, trust me she wont even know. About a week now, I've been changing my mind set or in PUA "reframe" to this... K woman love the rough look on guys kinda go for the badass look(woman are hopeless for the bad guy, just balance it with some good guy too and they will love ya) with the few days old beard the beach hair or buzz cut and the KP plays in to the rough look. Its been working for my mind set. Also, girls love it when the guy takes the lead and is in control, do that and she wont give a **** about your KP. Honesty, this last week for me has been huge improvements in my attitude towards KP, I no longer hide it cause it goes in with the look I went after. Don't get me wrong I would love to get rid of it for good and I do have it under control pretty good no more bumps and redness is not so bad. But look into PUA cause it helps teach you how to treat a woman right and how to take lead and control how things go. I really believe that woman even super hot woman don't really date a guy for looks!... sounds crazy hey!. But really they want a guy that they can feel safe with, have fun with, a guy who is confident and in control. They like guys who aren't asking them things like "is everything ok with us?". I don't mean this in a bad way but you have to have higher status than a woman thats what woman love!. Think about it we ARE animals how many sissy male animals get the girl?, none. The ones that go for it, the dominate ones, the ones that are in control and our "king" get in. K.. maybe his might help you, look at how many not so hot guys are with HOT woman???... you see it all the time, sure some may have money but most don't, they know how to make a woman feel good and I think thats whats most important for a woman when she's picking what guy she wants to be with. And your comment on this kinda bugs me, "also i dont like being around those superficial-soulless-materiallistic-child like mentality-though often very hot- woman.". Alright, most "hot" girls I meet and hook up with aren't what you said they are!!!, many are well educated, one was a MD doctor, a few lawyers, some that are very well off business woman. Just cause a girl is good looking doesn't mean she is a dumbass shallow b****. I find most good looking girls are VERY insecure... really, most girls that are very good looking are insecure at some level.... if you don't believe me go talk to a really hot woman and if she is cold to you tell tell that shes not all that and that you would rate her a 6/10 even if she is a 10! and that she should get over her self, see how she acts and how fast things will turn!. Truth is when it comes to dating guys are the one that are in the power sit. If a guy can read and understand woman and know how to treat them he can get most woman no matter what kinda skin he has... how do I know that?.... cause I field tested this stuff and it works.

John, I really don't know why you're here on this forum on this thread. You seem to have already made up your mind to wallow in self-pity and not even try, so what are you doing here when you just rubbish everything that people say? Sorry to sound harsh but nobody here can help you as you're just not willing to even try. You're becoming really tiresome so if people here on this forum who know and understand about KP get fed up of you moaning, you can only imagine how somebody who knows nothing about KP will find you. Yes they will find you completely undesirable because you come across as a spineless cowardly insecure idiot!

hello canuck,

thanks for your advice.
"woman love the rough look on guys kinda go for the badass look" thats my look

"know how to make a woman feel good and I think thats whats most important for a woman when she's picking what guy she wants to be with. And your comment on this kinda bugs me,"

what comment

"I do have it under control pretty good no more bumps and redness"

sounds like its no longer a problem for you. thats great!

"PUA cause it helps teach you how to treat a woman "

pua did have some good pointers. but over all i know how to treat women. women and me get along great until its time to go to the next level...then i sabatog
myself.

"superficial-soulless-materiallistic-child like mentality-though often very hot"

im not saying all hot woman are this way. most of the women at the popular bars that ive met are like this.
not all of them though.

thanks for your post. i appreciate your point of view.

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yes your rite, i made up my mind. my original post was a way for me to vent. and ive done that. now i feel better. i think you and adrain misinterpreted one of my earlier post as insulting but it wasn't meant to be that way. o-well im getting tired of this subject too.

well thank you for your opinion, and adrian too. like i said before i know you were both just trying to help,
and you did. i would still like to give you both a big hug
for being nice when you were nice.

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Personally, I find it very tiring reading all these comments putting someone down, who already doesn't feel happy, because they've been rejected before and are quite logically scared of it happening again.

I'm sick of reading all these people saying "if they're nice then they won't care," well I know that! It's just that most people are shallow and do care and how are you supposed to find the ones that don't without going through a load of soul-crushing rejection which will futher destroy you.

And as for this whole "people are attracted to confidence" thing - that's complete bollocks. I know loads of confident people who I don't fancy. In fact, as long as somebody isn't terribly shy, then confidence is more likely to make me dislike someone and think they're an ****hole.

As for me, if my desire to date become stronger than my fear of rejection, then I'll date. Either because my KP goes or I meet the perfect guy. At the moment I don't particularly want to and I don't think people should be bullied into it and made to feel worse for their decisions.

All John came here for was a little sympathy and you start attacking him and calling him egotistical?? WTF? Not everyone thinks the way you do, accept it. You can't run other peoples' lives for them.

We all have different views and experiences and you have no right to attack someone for not making the same decisions you would make. Get over yourself.

This whole discussion makes me glad that I'm a happily married, middle-aged man.

Good luck one and all, proceed as you will, and it will go how it goes. Ultimately, you will determine your own success.






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No Anna, I was not putting someone down. I was trying to help someone who was refusing to be helped and did not actually want to be helped as he was too stuck in his ways. So forgive me for getting fed up when I'm fighting a battle I can't win

I will not 'get over myself' as it's a well known fact that people who use the excuse of some physical or mental defect to take themselves out of normal social interactions are actually being self absorbed and refusing to gives others the respect they deserve in their ability to make informed decisions.

No I'm not saying that everyone will accept you and yes there are some pretty awful people around, but what I am saying is that each person is an individual and you have to allow each individual the dignity of an opinion.

And whats this arguement you have about confidence? Of course you're not going to be attracted to every single person who has confidence in the same way that you're not going to be attracted to every person who is intelligent or who has a great sense of humour. And when you say you find confidence a turn off - I think you're actually talking about finding arrogance a turn off. There's a massive difference.

And yes quite frankly I am sick of the amount of people who come on this board and constantly moan about their KP and how it has ruined their life. I have had KP on my arms, legs and arse since I was a toddler and it hasn't made the slightest bit of difference to my life. If you have KP there is nothing actually wrong with you. Yes we all want a cure and yes I myself would love to get rid of it. But I think it's highly unlikely that I will ever get rid of it so I'm not going to stop my life indefinitely cos my skin's a bit cr@p. I know people with no legs, with terrible burn scars, with female balding problems who have met partners and have very happy lives. If somebody with KP has a problem leading a normal life, to me it maybe instead points to a personality problem that they need to be addressing rather than the KP.

And yes I'll probably have lots of people shouting back at me for saying this, but I refuse to have very much sympathy for somebody who lets this stop their normal life. They are their own worst enemy

Hopefully, this is a tolerant forum where someone can say what's on their mind, even if they are feeling down. We have such a great group here, that almost always someone else replies with support and encouragement. As long as things stay respectful, let's continue to say whatever we feel and accept others as they are.

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thank you anna1850,

well put its so good to talk to someone who can relate.


i wasn't so much trying to get sympathy as i was trying to share my feelings with other people who can relate to what im going through. its good to be reminded that im not alone. that theres others dealing with the same problem.


julie:
"And yes quite frankly I am sick of the amount of people who come on this board and constantly moan about their KP and how it has ruined their life."

well julie, for some of us this is the only outlet for our emotions. for some of us... we can't talk about our problems with friends or family because they simply wouldn't understand.
no ones forcing you to read every post. no onces forcing you to be rude.

so if you don't like it...then please leave.

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