LOL. Then that is NO exception to the normal pattern at all, and again proves the temperature theory.


I used to get a few bumps on my shins as well, but very minor compared to the colder and fattier areas like the calves, thighs, etc. I have also noticed that when KP develops on the forearms, it will often take a temperature gradient pattern by being the worst on the fat deposits that are just below the elbow, and be a little better as you get to the thinner, bony areas near the wrist.

What about diet? Anyone notice any particular foods that aggrivate or relieve?

Feel like venting again...i always thought i'd find something to help or that it would go when i'm older (only 14 lol ) but the more i read on websites and on here the more i think its only going to get worse. i cant get over how icredibly unfair it is that we've got this, and i know its stupid to sit around moaning that life isnt fair but...having this skin condition-to me atleast- is a cruel joke the world has played on me. Listening to what ppl say its done to them it just seams like kp is robbing us of our lives. its destroying any chance to enjoy the short time we have. iv literally just realised what a huge impact its going to have on my life if i cant get rid of it...

sorry to be so negative but i had to get it out
x

oh and thnx turquiose for trying new things and exploring the evils of kp lol
your descovery is giving me hope and i cant wait to try it
x

Jessicamc

To be honest Jessica i dont know what exactly helped but ill list everything i done fron the time the kp was on my arms till now. I do have to mention that the kp on my arms were bumpy and dry it felt like something hard was trapped under the bump opposed to the skin on my legs which have few bumps but lots of red spots.Also my skin type tans well but dont burns easily. Its summer here and might be contributing to the success of my arms.

My arms got tanned when i went away for a camping trip
I use an skin smoothing body wash
On the body Neostrata aha 15% lotion ( Glytotic Acid )
When i was out of Neostrata I bought Derm a lac aha Lotion - ( Lactic and Urea )and used that.
i wax as well which also contains urea
So i dont know.... I think it got to do with the sun because im doing the same routine on my legs except my legs never got tanned and fresh air like my arms so i will experiement as soon as im home alone on a hot day and lay out at the pool and tan my legs. Ill report back to let you know if tanning is the major contributor. Also i think its those flat red dots that are the hardest to get rid of.

Yes, the red face is totally horrible. I had active rosacea for several years, and that was enough. Thankfully I started on Metronidazole, and after about 6 months it really started working. The redness is quite controlled now and I get to look pretty normal out in public. I wonder if this medication would work for KPRF.
It's unknown how it actually treats the rosacea redness and the little bumps of rosacea, but it makes sense to me that it could have similar effect on the red KP patches. It has an anti-bacterial effect that somehow stops inflammation and prevents bumps from forming. Or, if it is just a variation on the clogged follicles of regular KP, wouldn't a good exfoliation routine be effective? Something gentler like 10% AHA applied once a day maybe? Have people tried that? It might take a few months to clear up, but I can't imagine why you wouldn't get results with that.
I would think KPRF would be easier to treat because it does not involve the deeply irritated, red dotted follicles of regular KP, which take the longest to clear out, but then the facial redness is maybe a diffuse reaction to the distress of the clogged follicles. But the facial bumps don't seem to be as big and spiny as KP in other areas, so there is probably less to exfoliate.

I googled KPRF and it is *embarrassing* how little info there is on it. Even on regular KP, the info is so retarded and not even accurate. Who the hell writes this stuff?

I agree with turquoise its not the bumps that are so hard to get rid of its the spots so with an exfoliant it should help. I personally wouldnt put a strong acid like 10% on my face cause its to strong but everyones skin and sensitivity is different. Does kprf also have that hard white stuff that comes out when you squeeze it ( Sorry for the graphics ) or not.

Yes, certainly NO higher than 10%, and then only ONCE a day. Any more than that would be way too much. Somewhere between 5-10% would be the best way to treat it, I think.

I found an interesting testimonial about KPRF and someone claimed that glycolic acid had cleared theirs up completely, but for the life of me I can't find it again. I'll keep looking.
EDIT: Found it!!

"I am an olive complected woman, and I have KP on my cheeks, arms and the back of my thighs. I started using Neostrata ultra smoothing cream (aha 10) on my face (avoiding my eyes) and it has made such a huge difference! My cheeks are hardly red anymore, and all of the skin on my face, not only my cheeks, has smoothed out considerably! I have been getting so many compliments on my skin, its great. I recommend that everyone give it a try if your skin can handle a 10% aha cream."

If the 10% is really strong, you can always use it every *other* day until your skin gets used to it. Bottom line, though, KPRF would seem to be pretty treatable since it does not disfigure the skin or cause the deeply inflamed follicles of regular KP. The redness seems pretty superficial and should clear up if you can eliminate the source of it.
Plus, it is called a form of KP, so it must be caused by a similar hyperkeratotic process, so exfoliation makes sense as a cure.

I understand your skepticism, but I think you may find success with it. All the hundreds of creams that people usually try have no active ingredient that is strong enough to do anything about KP. Most people just try stuff randomly without evaluating the ingredients at all.
A bad case of KP requires a strong exfoliant, and most moisturizers don't exfoliate at all really. AHA is different in that it is powerful enough to take off all those skin layers. It got rid of my KP completely, so obviously it is enough to handle this problem.

The only thing to worry about is whether it will be too strong, in which case you will get irritation right away. If that's the case, try using it every other day instead of once a day. Or try Neostrata's 8% oily skin solution. A little gentler percentage. I would keep with it for 2-3 months a least. It may take a while to exfoliate your KP and get to the bottom of the irritation it is causing.
Even treating rosacea can take up to a year. It's well worth it, though, and what else have we got to do but treat our KP? The alternative is to sit around and do nothing and remain convinced that no product will ever work, which accomplishes nothing.
As I have said before, one of the biggest obstacles to treating KP is the Fail Attitude of its sufferers. Sometimes it seems like people aren't even willing to try new stuff and give it a fair trial. It's like they would rather just have KP.
Yes, KP is a genetic disease where the skin is not functioning correctly. (It doesn't know how to exfoliate itself, so you get all this dead skin buildup that eventually clogs the pores and follicles and causes the redness and irritation.) However, that doesn't mean that there can't be effective treatment.
KPRF seems to be a combination of regular KP and something like rosacea, as it suffers from "triggers" and flare ups in the same way.

I have heard that, too, about BHAs being able to penetrate more deeply. Apparently they are strong at low percentages, like 2%. Salicylic Acid seems to be the most popular one, and some people have had success with using Salex on their KP. I thought Salex was stronger, though. Like 6% or something? I heard that somewhere.

The basics:

http://www.skin-sage.com/alpha-hydroxy.htm

Anti inflammatory. Maybe this would be a better route for treating KPRF?

MAybe bha would be good for the red dots since a aha is working so well on the bumps.UUMMM sounds like an idea