First of all, stop being stupid by calling people crazy.

Second of all, now, you think it's not genetic because you think in YOUR case it's not. That's very closed minded of you.

And, well, I wasn't going to post it just because evrybody here was sooooo sure I was wrong, but since you were such a "doll" to call me crazy, I'm gonna tell you what have happenned to my KP after only 2 weeks of putting Lush's Dream Cream: 50% gone.

You should try it, egocentric B!

Bye!

TheShotOne

I think he was saying it is genetic.

What is Lush's Dream Cream? Do you have a link? Did you take before and after pics? I'd love to see them if you have them. Sorry for all the ?'s, but I'm curious about this stuff, especially if it's available outside the US and Canada. Lots of people have been asking about products that are only available in the US and Canada and I'm sad that I have no answer for them...

yes, here in bolivia theres no kind of those products you are mention =(

Living here in New Zealand, at the bottom of the world (Hey! Which way is 'up' in the universe anyway?!), I have always been acutely aware of how hard it can be to buy these amazing products we hear about from the US (the shipping charges and delays can sometimes be prohibitive).

So, I decided to make Koru kp available to anyone, anywhere in the world, from Constantinople to Timbuktu!

It is always the same low price, regardless of where you live.

Cheers

Annuu

Hi!!!


It's from Lush.

I once read at another KP thread (or this one ,I can't remember) that this cream was working to "cure" kp on people. When I went to the mall with my mom, she wanted me to show her the Lush store, because it's a different store and all, and only when I get there that I remembered of once reading about this cream from Lush. The store was about to close (in Rio de Janeiro only, I don't think it's closing in the world. It's originally from Engalnd), so I thought it would be my last chance to try it. I oalso heard this soap and scrub in one called "Buffy the (something, but not vampire!) slayer" was very good for kp too. Even the lady from the store said that the guy that works at the store got "cured" from his kp by using this Buffy soap. I thought it was a coincidence that this lady said the same product I heard from a site that "cured" the guys kp, so I thought she was telling the truth. The store had the Buffy product and evrything was on sale, but still very expensive to spmething that scrubs and is a soap, when I can scrub with whatever at home.

You guys will like to know that everything in this store is natural. It comes with a Expiration date of about 3 weeks or so.


I searched and the link to the product is this:
http://www.lush.co.uk/shop/index.php...roducts_id=231

The cream is kinda heavy since it has every single oil in this world (it has a lot of oils), but comparing to all the creams I've used to get rid of my kp, this one is the one I can go to sleep with. It gets a little sticky with your bedsheets, but it doesn't bother that much. The only lotion-moisturizer that I've used that leaves no creamy feeling was the Neostrata Smoothing Lotion 10 AHA, but although it does reduce the kp enormously, it's too expensive...

and as the site tells, the smell is kinda funny, but you get used to it.

the people that are reviewing it says it's good for eczema... I don't know what eczema looks like, but I know that people talk about this eczema a lot, even here on this thread!

The bottom line is: it smells funny, but a ok funny. It looks light, but it will stay a little oily on the skin, but it looks and feels light. And by doing only that it's clearing up my kp. I think I still have to use it for a long time before it gets all cleared up, but everything is getting better: the dots and the bumps. It's not a improvement is night to day kind of thing. I started to put the cream and by choosing to not keeo checking my skin every time after I apply it and "forgetting" about checking how it was working, I suddenly saw that the sking was incredibly better. It's not a fast result cream by no means. I guess you have to keep the skin moisturized with and maybe in 2 months you'll see very noticible results. It's not a two days and then "I'm kp free!" kind of cream. I can't stress that enough. But it's worth a try. Very worth.

Sucks to beme because the store is now closed, but it's all cool. I'll finish every single kp product I have after I finished with the dream cream, and maybe until then someone here will have something else that I can buy and put on my skin!

Bye!
THeShotOne

Hi

Possible to contact this source and check?

http://www.opusmed.com/LumiEditorial...e%20therapy%22

All the best!

The chemical processes in each person's body is unique. The amount of fat isn't just about calories in vs. calories out (ever known someone on a strict diet & exercise regimen who STILL couldn't make the fat budge?), but about eating the right nutrients in the right proportions that our cells are able to process most efficiently. If you overload your cells with too much of what they're already producing too much of, they're going to "rebel" by storing excess fat or conjuring up different health problems.

Some physiological types put on weight more easily than others, but it does NOT mean that obesity was inherited -- it means that a physiological type was inherited! What each person chooses to do with his or her own body type is their own decision. Obesity is a lifestyle choice almost 100% of the time. Someone doesn't learn how to eat and exercise for his specific body type and stay overweight.

So, I don't think it's "all in our genes".

BUT we certainly inherit certain tendencies... i.e. a tendency toward acne, cancer, heart disease etc. That doesn't mean those things are automatically in the cards for us. It means that if we ignore the our unique biochemical needs, they will be expressed. If we learn about them and pay proper attention to them, they will not be expressed.

I think we inherit the tendency for KP, but that it doesn't automatically mean it will express itself. It's only expressed when we provide an environment for it to do so.

omg its sooo completely genetic. my mom has it, her mom has it, and most of their side of my family has it. my mom's and mine is a pretty rare form, so i know that i got it from her. we have it not only on our upper arms but lower arms, thighs, buttocks andddd face. most people just have it in one or a couple areas. its not a coincidence.
and however much i'd love for them to find a cure, how about we let them work on fatal problems like cancer and AIDS? i mean, KP sucks, but i'm still alive and i've lived with an acute case of this for almost 20 years.

I have not read all the replies yet, but my working theory on this is that KP is genetic, and all the skin on your body is technically the same, but it is subjected to different environmental conditions depending on where it is on your body.
Also, it's possible to inherit a *tendency* for something that requires an environmental trigger, so some people won't develop KP until a particular period in their lives when certain external conditions are met. For instance, you may have it in your genes to be diabetic, but it won't happen until you gain enough weight (obesity actually causes insulin resistance in those who are susceptible).

The other thing to consider is that, while all your skin is pretty much the same when you start out (look at a baby's skin), it changes as you get older. Your face gets oily and really damaged by sunlight. Your foot skin grows thick and calloused, your hands get dry and calloused because they get used all the time and washing them dries them out, your weight changes and you get stretch marks, your elbows and knees get tough so they can withstand the friction they suffer.
For KP, I believe the key is how *dry* and cold the skin gets. It's not coincidence that KP tends to be the worst on the colder areas of the body where the body heat is insulated. This is why it appears on top of fatty areas that are not kept warm by the body.
Think about the pattern KP takes on the body - the back of the arms and the upper legs, but rarely the shins and forearms, and rarely the trunk. It hits the areas where the skin surface is cold: body extremeties that have thick fat.
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If anyone can provide a better theory than that that explains the KP pattern, I'm all ears.


That is all flaming and it is not helping anyone. You all have valuable information to provide, and it gets lost in personal jabs like that. No one even reads the info you're providing- they just stumble on the insults.

Even though I have only recently realised (by coming to this site) that there is actually such thing as the thing I have!(KP) I assumed it was herititary. My grandmother has it, my mother, me and now my four old daughter - see a pattern!!!

If it is a parasite that causes KP, I can also see why it would seem genetic. Because parasites can be passed on through birth. My dad and his side of the family, and Mom and her side of the family have noone with it. I was raised with my sister and 2 half sisters and we all have moderate KP and mine seems to be getting worse as I get older. Neither of my parents have it. This leads me to believe that along the line as children we caught a parasite or something and our parents did not give this to us. We did all get lice while we were all under the age of 8. And I know we didnt develop kp until adolecense.
My husband has more severe KP, and his 2 sisters have kp and his only brother does not have KP. His parents also do not have KP. I asked if he and his sisters had lice growing up and he said they did and his brother did not.
My husband and I have 2 little boys 2 and 4 and both have develped Kp on their skin. They showed symptoms after they turned one year. I breastfed my oldest son for longer than my youngest and the youngest showed symptoms sooner. I believe I gave this to my boys. But whether it is a chromosone or a parasite I am not informed enough to know.
I really feel if we can detect what kind of parasite it is we can get rid of the parasite
and it could solve the problem. I understand there are different types of KP because I have seen them and I am no genius, but I am not ruling out the parasite factor. Without a cause there is no cure. I would love a questionare that included possible exposure to parasites.

I am not suggesting this as an explanation for KP, but if you're female then you are effectively a genetic chimera. Meaning, different cells in your body express different sets of genes. Half of the cells in your body express your mother's X-chromosome and compeltely silence your father's, while the other half express only your father's X-chromosome. So don't act like it's so weird for different patches of the body to express different genetics than others, because it happens all the time. That's what is up with Calico cats. But, again my disclaimer: I know that this is definately not the case with KP, and I am certain that KP is not carried on the X-chromosome.

Also, the areas where people get bad KP tend to have much heavier, thicker hair than everywhere else; that or, in the case of the butt, are covered by underwear/pants/whatever all day long and thus the clogging of the hair folicle is aggrivated. Every once in a while I will get KP somewhere weird, like my stomach, my neck, my face, or my back, but most days it is only on my arms and legs. This is because the hairs on my stomach, neck, and face are very fine and rarely have overly-snug clothing over them. And, obviously, I never get it on my palms or the bottoms of my feet because there is no hair there at all!

And I have rather greasy skin, it is not dry at all. Of the people in my family that also have KP: two of my three sisters, my brother, my father, and cousins on my father's side; only one has dry skin (on his hands only, though), and that is my brother (and I suspect it is only because he washes his hands 50,000 times a day). The rest of us have very oily skin.

Why would KP go away with age for some people and not others if it's genetic? Well, the oil production in your skin is linked with hormones, so for many people it gets worse during puberty and during pregnancy. For some people, the KP is not even apparent until puberty or pregnancy. This is because peoples' hormone levels are all different, and different people react differently to said levels. For many people, hormone production goes way down mid-thirties or early-fourties, and even further down after this. This is why many peoples' KP clears up at this time (for my dad it went away). But, some people have bad KP no matter their hormone level, and it never goes away for them. It all depends on your genetics.

Many (proven) genetic diseases do not manifest themselves until a certain period in the individual's life, and this is because different genes are turned off and on at different stages of your life. You absolutely do not have all of your genes turned on all the time from birth do death! Which genes are expressed depends on environment and the many signals your body gives to its machinery telling which RNAs it's going to need.

So, it sounds to me that KP has very genetic-sounding behaviours. It really doesn't sound like anything else to me. Especially not parasites... I have never heard of parasites being passed down through the father only (while the mother is unaffected for the duration of her life), Try to imagine the mechanism that would call for!

I think that I would hope it was a parasite versus a genetic factor, only because it would be much simpler to heal. But it just confuses me because my sisters and I are the only ones that have it out of the entire extended family. And my husband and his two sisters are the only ones in theirs as well. It just leads me to believe that we are the first carriers of it and of course were able to give it to our children. But it probably is genetic and I doubt there will ever be a cure. Only treatment. SO unfortunately we just have to live with it and try not to care too much and let it control us.

my derma said it is hereditary. for our parents or other relatives, it may have manifested as asthma or any other skin disease or allergy to something. we're all lucky, we just have kp. at least, it's not something that affects our lungs or a more important organ in our body.