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Old 04-21-2006, 01:39 PM
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Is PHRYNODERMA another word or the same thing as Keratosis Pilaris?

This is what I found when I did a search for Phrynoderma

follicular h. a skin condition characterized by hyperkeratosis of hair follicles, resulting in rough, cone-shaped, elevated papules, the openings of which are often closed with a white plug of encrusted sebum. Deficiencies of vitamins A and E, B complex vitamins, and essential fatty acids have all been implicated in the etiology. Called also phrynoderma and toadskin.
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Old 04-21-2006, 02:58 PM
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I've done vitamins for years with no results, but maybe i'm not doing enough.. after reading your post maybe i need to up my folic and e. i usually only take the 1 pill per day. but maybe i should be doing two.. i also have my beta carotene and multi that i've been doing for awhile. i know my skin is looking better, but it just drives me nuts how every day there's new bumps to replace the ones that have finally disappeared.
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Old 04-21-2006, 08:28 PM
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do you take calcium?? i think you need calcium to absorb vitamin a.
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Yes phrynoderma and follicular hyperkeratosis are two different names for keratosis pilaris. lol wonderwoman that picture of that guy in the diaper is a little disturbing.
These are the dosages im doing for all of my tablets:
Blackmores Bio Zinc: 3 tablets, 1 in the morning/afternoon/night
Beta carotene: one in morning one at night
Fish oil: 4-5 tablets spread throughout the day
Blackmores Mega B: two tablets in the morning
Im also taking Blackmores Bio C (because i have heaps of spider veins): 2 in the morning, 2 in the afternoon and 2 at night
Multivitamins do not usually contain the right amount of mg's for each mineral/vitamin needed because there is just so much combined into one pill unless you are getting a really good quality multivitamin that is practitioner owned and has been formulated correctly by leading nutritionists.
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I have a couple more questions.

First The Fish Flax and Borge Oil Pill Im was going to take has 400 mg of omeaga 3, 400 mg of omega 6, and 400mg of omega 9. It says to take 3 a day. That still not enough. So instead Im going to a take Fish Oil Pill with 1000 mg 3 times a day. But is it true you can deficent in omega 6 and 9 if you take oly omega 3?

Im only 15 and weigh 95 pounds, should this affect how much I should take?

I just started taking the following-
Vitamin A
Vitamin B-Complex
Vitamin C
Vitamin E
Fish Oil - 3 times a day
Beta Carotene
Women's Multivitamin w/ Iron and Zinc

Should I still take the Fish Flax Bourge Oil Pill or do I not need it?
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Old 04-22-2006, 12:57 AM
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With all the vitamins we need to take, I'm concerned about overdosing. For instance, I'd have to take three tea spoons of Cod Liver Oil to reach 3000mg, but that would be giving me 300% more Vitamin D than I need. Plus I take a multivitamin, which would add another 100%. Is there a resource that explains what the safe max is on each vitamin?
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Keldrake: just google the RDA for each vitamin that you are going to be taking and usually it will come up with the toxicity amount which is usually really really high and will tell you the sort of symptoms that you would get when you have toxic levels. With the cod liver oil, i think u wuld be better off just having a fish oil supplement in capsule form which would be much easier for u by just taking 3 capsules each day and check the ingredients they dont usually contain vitamin D.

Peterson: Omega 6 and 9 are made essential because they can not be produced by the body, however Omega 9 can be manufactured by other essential fatty acids so technically its not that essential. The majority of individuals are deficient in Omega 3's compared to omega 6, and 9 thats why it is so important to get your omega 3's, and it is the deficiency of this omega that is associated with so many degenerative diseases. Ive never heard that too much omega 3 can cause u to become deficient in omega 6, since a lot of people get omega 6 from their diet anyway. And omega 9 can be manufactured by omega 3 and 6 so that isn't a worry.
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Boom

so we need to supplement with : Beta Carotene (RDA 5-6 mg) and (Vitamin A RDA 5000-10 000 IU)
B vitamin Complex (Blackmores Mega B is a good formulation)
Vitamin E (is often found in fish oil tablets read the back of the container) RDA 30 mg
Essential fatty acids- Fish oil RDA 3 000 mg daily ???


Do you think that we should take calcium also?????


P.S -HAPPY EARTH DAY EVERY 1!!!!!!!!!!!!LOLhttp://images.google.com/images?q=tb...earth-boom.jpgBOOM!!!HAHAH JK.

NOW I WANT A DASHUND!! DASHUND OR PUG , PUG OR DASHUND !!!



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CHOICES ...CHOICES

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I was thinking the same thing about overdosing. If i can remember correctly from nutrition, there are some that are bad to overdose on but stuff like e and d arnt bad if you take to much w/in reason, i assume you would have to ingest alot of fish oils for you to overdose. Obviously k is dangerous, a if your pregnant. Those are just the ones off the top of my head, but maybe ask your practitioner or look it up b/c everyones different and some people depending on age/gender and any health issues shouldnt take to much of one vitamin or mineral.
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This post is so interesting. I have begun to take beta carotene, omega 3,6 & 9 , flax seed oil and vitamin B Complex every day. I only started this a few days ago so I havent seen any results, I just keep my fingers crossed that perhaps I will.
I remember seeing somewhere the topic of parasites and food intolerences.
This is another avenue Id like to explore, but I dont know how to go about cutting out gluten and dairy. Id be eating fruit all day and probably do myself no good at all.
Do you think de-toxing would help cleanse the system and help the body make use of all these vitamins and minerals more effectively.
How long would it be before we see results?

So many questions.

If this is the answer to our problems, why is there no cure out there.
I am still very hestitant as Ive spent hundreds of pounds on miracle cures which have done nothing in the past.
I really hope this works.
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Old 04-23-2006, 02:38 PM
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Om my Vit A package it says that overdose starts at 8000 IU, and that headache and drowsiness are possible reaction. In the long run it can result e.g. in ostheoperosis (I hope that's the English term...). It is especially dangerous for pregnant women and smokers. As Vit A can be found in sunflower oil, margarine, multifruit juices, eggs, milk, spinach, melons, etc. I have a two pill solution. I take 2500 IU in the morning, observe what I eat during the day, and then decide whether I will take the second one.
But I have another question: Why should we take both beta-carotene and Vit A? If the body transforms beta-c. into Vit A anyway...where is the use?
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When i wrote in my post beta carotene and vitamin A i meant either or. not both
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Jonas24: I dont eat any dairy or wheat and i eat a lot more than just fruits and vegetables. Before you think about doing this you need to educate yourself on the other food sources there are except from wheat and dairy. Dairy is easy, but wheat is another issue. There are a lot of grains that you can start eating instead of wheat including rye, spelt, rice, quinoa. If u must have dairy, soya milk is a good alternative.

For the detoxing of your body i wouldn't reccomend it because some people that completely detox their body it can leave them deficient in a lot of minerals and vitamins. So instead i would reccomend you doing perhaps a liver cleanse using st mary's thistle/dandelion to stimulate your liver's detoxifying capabilities. If you think you have digestive issues, then you could think about doing perhaps some sort of antiparasitic cleanse by taking capsules that have herbs in them with antiparastic/antibacterial qualities. Or if you would like to heal the gastrointestinal system look at glutamine which absolutely works wonders. And ofcourse supplement with probiotics to make sure you are getting the good bacteria in your GIT if you have been on antibiotics before, it will also decrease the chance of bad bacteria thriving in your GIT. I don't know how long it willl take to see results a lot of us has just started this routine, i've only been on it for 3 days so we will all see what happens.

What do you mean if this is the answer to our problems why is there no cure? This is our cure. If you think there is going to be one pill that will make our KP go away which will suit everyones needs then think again because it is completely impossible. Everyone is individual and everyone will have health issues that someone else may not have. That is why u have to look at the cause of your own health issues and treat them as well as supplementing with these vitamins/minerals. goodluck
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Old 04-24-2006, 07:04 AM
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ah..thanx rachel! I`ve just come across the information that there is no danger of overdosing beta-c., as opposed to ready-made Vit A, as the body just transforms as much as it needs. if this is right, beta-c. seems to be the better alternative..
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Great write up, well done. Keep us posted, Rachel. I can't wait to hear how your kp reacts to these vitamins. Are you doing anything in addition, like exfoliating or moisturizing?
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